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Chod Lang

31 Aug 2016, 5:22 pm

Freeway alternative

Kinda surprised there was no reaction to my post at the end of the “alternative” thread, so I decided to post again here.

Ever since I heard this news I’ve been searching for an alternative. I think I may have found one. What is especially interesting about the one I’ve found is that it can open the sites we’ve created in Freeway. I’ve found one YouTube video that lays it out pretty well. It’s about 20 minutes long and the first 16 minutes are worth paying attention to. The application is Flux 6. Requires El Captain. Have a look at the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddXtxc-A1Bo

And here’s the site for the Application. http://www.theescapers.com/product.php?product=flux Free download.

Looking forward to what you all think of this.

http://www.theescapers.com/product.php?product=flux

Todd

31 Aug 2016, 5:37 pm

Flux has from time to time been mentioned on FWT over the years. Most recently on this “alternative” thread by myself and others.

I suppose if you want or need a combination of WYSIWYG and code editor then Flux has a decent feature-set. But my biggest complaint is the UI which I find visually overwhelming. But that’s me. Plus it’s frequently included in those various discount software bundles which makes me question its future.

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Kinda surprised there was no reaction to my post at the end of the “alternative” thread, so I decided to post again here.

DeltaDave

31 Aug 2016, 8:46 pm

Kinda surprised there was no reaction to my post at the end of the “alternative” thread, so I decided to post again here.

As Todd says - Flux has been mentioned in various threads before.

it’s frequently included in those various discount software bundles

It certainly is - I think I originally bought it through one of those bundles as Flux 2 or 3 but never used it in anger.

Flux 6 was again offered in a bundle recently which I bought for less than $40

Must admit I didn’t realise that it could open existing “projects” - rather than individual html pages.

However I think PineGrow does a better job of that.

I should have another go with it now I have their latest version but it is always daunting when you have to learn another app. Especially as FW7 still works fine.

D

Glasgow, Scotland

iMac 27 5K El Cap and Pro Final

Iain Mackenzie

31 Aug 2016, 9:12 pm

On 31 Aug 2016, 8:46 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

Especially as FW7 still works fine.

Dave, have you tried it in macOS Sierra? Hmmm

DeltaDave

31 Aug 2016, 9:31 pm

Dave, have you tried it in macOS Sierra? Hmmm

Nope

I am not an early adopter preferring to ensure that a new OS is stable before I commit mission critical work/apps to it.

Once Sierra is out in the wild I can decide whether I want to take the leap.

So let us know what you find - others have suggested that FW works fine with it?

D

Glasgow, Scotland

iMac 27 5K El Cap and Pro Final

Iain Mackenzie

31 Aug 2016, 9:35 pm

I still don’t want to break the NDA as I have mentioned on occasions previously, but let’s say my experience has not been good.

Richard van Heukelum

1 Sep 2016, 9:40 am

Freeway already collapses on Sierra? Wow.

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Jeremy Hughes

1 Sep 2016, 11:47 am

Hi Iain,

On 31 Aug 2016, at 22:35, Iain Mackenzie <[email protected]> wrote:

I still don’t want to break the NDA as I have mentioned on occasions previously, but let’s say my experience has not been good.

You’ve hinted previously that you have a problem with file dialogs. This is something that we saw happen in El Capitan betas, but the problems were mostly resolved in the final version. What I suggest you do is to see if you have the same problem with other Carbon applications (TextWrangler or BBEdit for example) and report it as a bug to Apple if that is the case. That’s what I did last time round.

If the problem is unique to Freeway, send me a bug report with steps to reproduce. It is possible that there will be bug-fix updates to Freeway in future.

Jeremy

Iain Mackenzie

1 Sep 2016, 12:00 pm

Will do, Jeremy. Good to hear that there will be bug fixes in future!

I didn’t have any issues at all during the El Capitan beta phase, however.

Iain Mackenzie

1 Sep 2016, 12:25 pm

Just tried BBEdit. No problems to report there in the file dialogue windows.

Jeremy Hughes

1 Sep 2016, 12:44 pm

On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:25, Iain Mackenzie <[email protected]> wrote:

Just tried BBEdit. No problems to report there in the file dialogue windows.

Try switching to different directories, including the directory you use with Freeway.

My experience with El Capitan betas was that the crashes were a bit random - you had to keep switching before they would happen. But they happened in TextWrangler as well as Freeway.

Jeremy

Chod Lang

1 Sep 2016, 4:00 pm

At least the price is more affordable for learning a new program. But as someone already said, Freeway still works so I shouldn’t panic. Right?

Iain Mackenzie

1 Sep 2016, 4:03 pm

Well, one thing is for sure, and that is if you stick to El Capitan whether native or in a VM, then you should be OK.

Dave Boli

6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am

Obviously at some point I’ll have to find another program., but I’m about to launch 2 new big sites (on FW of course, haha). What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for future for it. If I know I can make alterations etc to current FW sites ON MY CURRENT FW 7 over the next few months while I find an alternative would be a REALLY big load off my mind!

Dave Boli

6 Sep 2016, 5:34 am

Flux looks interesting. This is a response I got from them when I asked (it took them about 5 mins)

Just download the demo from www.theescapers.com/flux, load it, and drag your exported website onto the icon.

Flux supports responsive design using Skeleton or Bootstrap, you can use others if you want, but Flux has built-in support for those two.

I was sorry to read about Softpress, it’s pretty tough at the moment as an independent software developer…

Best,

Moray

Iain Mackenzie

6 Sep 2016, 8:25 am

On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.

Andries Kuipers

12 Sep 2016, 11:27 am

For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time. See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to <[email protected]> , mention their offer and you will receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS included.

Andries

2016-09-06 10:25 GMT+02:00 Iain Mackenzie <[email protected]>:

On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.

Andries Kuipers

12 Sep 2016, 4:40 pm

If the mailadress in my last post should get obfuscated…

support at blocsapp dot com….

better written down this way?

Andries

2016-09-12 13:27 GMT+02:00 <[email protected]>:

For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time. See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to <[email protected]> , mention their offer and you will receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS included.

Andries

2016-09-06 10:25 GMT+02:00 Iain Mackenzie <[email protected]>:

On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.

Andries Kuipers

19 Sep 2016, 4:42 pm

I was a little confused by the announcement of Coffeecup’s Bootstrap Sitebuilder.

I own already Responsive Layout Manager, RSD -Responsive Site Designer, Foundation Framer, all meant to design and build responsive sites. Now there is the announcement of Bootstrap Sitebuilder. I wondered, is it a standalone builder for only Bootstrap frames, next to RSD and FF? Or meant to be used solely with RSD (bootstrap based)? Will there be also an Foundation Sitebuilder in the near future?

What can I do more with Bootstrap Sitebuilder, when FF is still in beta and was announced as a better alternative to RSD which is based on a Coffeecup grid, based on Bootstrap?

I asked Coffeecup and Suzanne Norvell cleared up my thoughts. Here’s her answer…

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A modern, responsive website starts with a flexible framework. A responsive framework is what allows a website to grow and shrink based on the viewer’s screen size. There are many options available for designers so we took the most popular options and made them easy for everyone to use. Which one to pick? Picking a framework is like choosing a wine. One isn’t necessarily better than the other. They’re all awesome. It all just depends on your personal preference. Our website design apps currently include:

Responsive Site Designer (RSD) Foundation Framer (FF) — now out of beta! yay! and the brand new Bootstrap Builder (BB) beta https://www.coffeecup.com/bootstrap-builder/

All three of these apps have an almost identical front-end workflow. However, they use different backend frameworks to construct the web page markup.

RSD uses our own in-house framework with our signature drag-n-drop workflow for building sites. This same code-free interface has also been magically applied to FF and BB. However, on the backend, FF is specifically targeted for people who want to make sites using Zurb’s Foundation 6 Framework. While BB incorporates the popular Bootstrap 3 and 4 alpha frameworks.

People really dig Foundation Framer and Bootstrap Builder because they offer a set standard of CSS classes and attributes that streamline the design process. These two apps also offer unique abilities like a unit switcher, symbols for global content updates, and built-in interactive components for navigation, slideshows, toggles, and much more.

Another big difference is the mobile-first workflow with FF and BB. This means you will start your projects for smaller screens first and work your way towards the largest screen size. Designing with this technique really helps you examine your content and focus on what is most important. Alternatively, RSD not only lets you build mobile-first, but also lets you choose to build design desktop-down which some people find easier to work with.

The three of these responsive apps are all code-free, with the code generated for you automatically on the back end. If you plan to do any manually tweaking to the code like to configure the site with a backend system, you can export the code to your computer and open it with any code editor.

At the end of the day, each one is pretty awesome and makes outstanding websites. You really can’t go wrong with either one. Plus, as they offer similar workflows, if you have a client that wants a specific framework to be used, the learning curve is minimal if you need to jump from bootstrap to foundation. Learn more about how our responsive apps compare at Which app is right for you http://www.coffeecup.com/help/articles/the-top-apps-for-responsive-design/

Want more nitty-gritty details comparing Bootstrap to Foundation? Here are some helpful articles:

Bootstrap vs Foundation – Top 2 CSS Frameworks https://www.keycdn.com/blog/bootstrap-vs-foundation/

Should You Use Bootstrap or Foundation? http://blog.teamtreehouse.com/use-bootstrap-or-foundation

All three apps will be continued by our CC team. We have more upgrades coming across the board! And you can use all of your existing enhancement apps like Form Builder, Slider — even third party scripts - across our design apps. You can add that kind of stuff to RSD, but you would be using extra scripts and such to get the same thing.

I would say, if you’re willing to give yourself a few days to learn the software, like you don’t have a fast approaching project deadline, then Foundation Framer would be the best way to go.

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I hope the above was interesting enough to get more clearance in your minds.

Andries

2016-09-12 18:40 GMT+02:00 <[email protected]>:

If the mailadress in my last post should get obfuscated…

support at blocsapp dot com….

better written down this way?

Andries

2016-09-12 13:27 GMT+02:00 <[email protected]>:

For anyone who’s interested in an alternative for FW Pro:

after questioning Cazoobi LTD, manufacturer of Blocs, will offer you a

15% discount for Freeway users, for a limited time. See: http://blocsapp.com/

Send a mail to <[email protected]> , mention their offer and you will receive a one-time, non transmissible individual discount code when purchasing Blocsapp.

Blocs is update to Version 2.2. and has now also several options for CMS included.

Andries

2016-09-06 10:25 GMT+02:00 Iain Mackenzie <[email protected]>:

On 6 Sep 2016, 2:29 am, Dave Boli wrote:

What I want to know is do you think that Freeway 7 will still be usable for a few months, appreciating there will be no new developments in the for future for it.

As per the rest of the thread, your only guarantee is to run it in El Capitan in a VM on future versions of macOS.

Auguste

6 Mar 2019, 7:46 am

Hello, I tested for a month this promising new software https://www.instagram.com/nicepage_website_builder/

Not bad at all while waiting for Freeway 8 :-)

Auguste

Chod Lang

6 Mar 2019, 5:25 pm

I started this thread over two years ago and have since abandoned that recommendation. My new replacement (while not waiting for FW to come back) is RocketCake. I mentioned it in a thread some time ago but there was no interest here. I’ve built quite a few websites (responsive) with this 39 euro app for Mac and Windows and I’ll post and example of one of mine and others from the publisher’s forum. You may want to try the free download and give it a whirl.

http://www.detailsbydesign.com/gamebutcher3/index.html

http://www.alsaceimage.fr

http://www.leguedesbateliers.fr/

https://ferienwohnung-elba-cavoli.elbahome.de/

https://www.ambiera.com/rocketcake/index.html

Have a good day.

Andries Kuipers

7 Mar 2019, 9:07 am

Thanks Chod for your recommendation of Rocketcake. As a professional this piece of software is a bit too simple for my needs. I’ll stick to Blocs, Muse and the new Nicepage (web 3.0). Elementor is also my favorite and want to use it more.

I’m very curious what FW8 will bring, but in the meanwhile I have to serve my clients.

Have a good day too!. Cheers.

Andries

Whe

Op wo 6 mrt. 2019 om 18:25 schreef Chod Lang via freewaytalk <[email protected]>:

I started this thread over two years ago and have since abandoned that recommendation. My new replacement (while not waiting for FW to come back) is RocketCake. I mentioned it in a thread some time ago but there was no interest here. I’ve built quite a few websites (responsive) with this 39 euro app for Mac and Windows and I’ll post and example of one of mine and others from the publisher’s forum. You may want to try the free download and give it a whirl.

http://www.detailsbydesign.com/gamebutcher3/index.html

http://www.alsaceimage.fr

http://www.leguedesbateliers.fr/

https://ferienwohnung-elba-cavoli.elbahome.de/

https://www.ambiera.com/rocketcake/index.html

Have a good day.

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Auguste

7 Mar 2019, 9:14 am

Merci pour ces informations :-)

With Nicepage we can go much further and make templates for WordPress or Joomla visually!

Auguste