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Trey Yancy

20 Jan 2017, 2:30 pm

Upcoming News re Freeway

Not to be talking out of class (not that I know anything whatsoever), but I received a brief note from Joe Billings:

“There should be some more information about Softpress and Freeway in the coming weeks.”

Hopefully, FW has not reached the end of the trail.

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Noel Sergeant

20 Jan 2017, 6:34 pm

Always hopeful.

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Joe Muscara

21 Jan 2017, 5:49 pm

I didn’t get one. :~(

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Leif H. S.

22 Jan 2017, 12:48 pm

Fingers firmly crossed! Leif

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Carla

23 Jan 2017, 6:47 pm

Oh please come back! ha!

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vloerengilde

26 Jan 2017, 9:21 am

lets hope…. would save me a lot of learning en work

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Richard Cacciato

26 Jan 2017, 3:56 pm

Agreed. After a lot of research I haven’t found anything else that’s as intuitive or flexible as Freeway.

Go Joe!

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Richard van Heukelum

28 Jan 2017, 2:02 pm

Well … I did.

It also includes all the stuff we’ve been asking for for about 10 years to be included in Freeway, and more. It seems a lot more intuitive than I thought, even though Coffeecup software seemed quite intimidating.

– Richard

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Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

Jim Feeney

28 Jan 2017, 11:20 pm

Oh, please come back, Freeway. At age 73 I don’t have another learning curve in my available energy reservoir.

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TonyC

31 Jan 2017, 11:34 pm

Fingers and toes crossed…candles lit…incense burning…prayers being said…champagne ready for ice.

Please come back Freeway.

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tony

tomohide sato

1 Feb 2017, 12:44 am

Congratulations!

Come back!!! I hope this day so long.

http://www.softpress.com

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Elizabeth

1 Feb 2017, 1:12 am

Thanks - so good to see this again, look forward to developments. Great timing for me.

Elizabeth

On 1 Feb 2017, at 11:44 AM, tomohide sato <[email protected]> wrote:

Congratulations!

Come back!!! I hope this day so long.

http://www.softpress.com

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waltd

1 Feb 2017, 1:15 am

Yay!

Walter

On Jan 31, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Elizabeth <[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks - so good to see this again, look forward to developments. Great timing for me.

Elizabeth

On 1 Feb 2017, at 11:44 AM, tomohide sato <[email protected]> wrote:

Congratulations!

Come back!!! I hope this day so long.

http://www.softpress.com

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Sjef Broere

1 Feb 2017, 9:15 am

Great news!!!!!!

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David King

1 Feb 2017, 9:22 am

Thank goodness for that. The clouds are lifting!

David

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Thomas Kimmich

1 Feb 2017, 9:43 am

Yep - I hope all (idiots suffering for serials) needy people, still running a version below 7, will now take the opportunity turning their software in a modern and legal version.

As far as I remember, companies are working for money - not for god’s love.

Cheers

Thomas

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Andries Kuipers

1 Feb 2017, 9:56 am

Its good to see you folks back on the track!

2017-02-01 10:43 GMT+01:00 Thomas Kimmich <[email protected]>:

Yep - I hope all (idiots suffering for serials) needy people, still running a version below 7, will now take the opportunity turning their software in a modern and legal version.

As far as I remember, companies are working for money - not for god’s love.

Cheers

Thomas

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Robert B61

1 Feb 2017, 10:11 am

Yesss. Beautiful day. I have spent more than 250 euros on other software (which also is very fun and interesting) but I am very happy that Freeway is back. I hope everyone returns to the old nest. Also and especially the ones who have made this community big and strong and with their help others have made better. They are indispensable. Needless to mention names because everybody knows who they are. Good luck Joe. Good luck everyone.

Rob

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Mac OSX 10.11 El Capitan/FW Pro 7.0.4 (Freeway user since 2004)

Also learning Blocs and CoffeCup’s Responsive Site Designer, Responsive Email Designer, Responsive Content Slider, Menu Builder, Web Form Builder And also still learning Freeway 7.

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Robert B61

1 Feb 2017, 10:17 am

Funny words, so true and good advice.

On 1 Feb 2017, 9:43 am, Thomas Kimmich wrote:

Yep - I hope all (idiots suffering for serials) needy people, still running a version below 7, will now take the opportunity turning their software in a modern and legal version.

As far as I remember, companies are working for money - not for god’s love.

Cheers

Thomas

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Mac OSX 10.11 El Capitan/FW Pro 7.0.4 (Freeway user since 2004)

Also learning Blocs and CoffeCup’s Responsive Site Designer, Responsive Email Designer, Responsive Content Slider, Menu Builder, Web Form Builder And also still learning Freeway 7.

Dutchman who lives somewhere in the south of Piedmont, italy

sonjanna

1 Feb 2017, 10:54 am

Hi everybody,

good to see you here again!

Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t share your enthusiasm. As far as I understand the message at http://www.softpress.com, there will be NO Update of Freeway7 coming.

I only read that Softpress is back and eventually will come up with new applications. They don’t say which, what they cost, etc.

Do I miss something?

Till summer last year I have spent very much time in testing/finding an alternative app and learning it in order to be able to keep my business running in long-term. Paid licenses. Finally I got “over” the loss of FW, its end has messed up a lot in my office though. I better wait and see.

Do you know perhaps more as I do? Hanna

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Bootsie

1 Feb 2017, 11:06 am

I see it the way as Hanna

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Sjef Broere

1 Feb 2017, 11:07 am

Softpress said:

New products and updates will appear here someday soon…

“and updates”!!!!

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Robert B61

1 Feb 2017, 11:09 am

You never know for sure what the future will bring but they say;

“New products and updates will appear here someday soon…”

Let’s hope the best of it.

On 1 Feb 2017, 10:54 am, sonjanna wrote:

Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t share your enthusiasm. As far as I understand the message at http://www.softpress.com, there will be NO Update of Freeway7 coming.

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Mac OSX 10.11 El Capitan/FW Pro 7.0.4 (Freeway user since 2004)

Also learning Blocs and CoffeCup’s Responsive Site Designer, Responsive Email Designer, Responsive Content Slider, Menu Builder, Web Form Builder And also still learning Freeway 7.

Dutchman who lives somewhere in the south of Piedmont, italy

Gordon Low

1 Feb 2017, 11:25 am

My guess would be a minor update to Freeway may be marketed as Freeway7.5 or even Freeway8 and be chargeable (full price or maybe upgrade price) as the new company may want a fresh start . I for one would be willing to reinvest in the software to support the “new” Softpress. I just hope it isn’t the oft-rumoured slimmed down new web design software with many Freeway features removed.

Gordon http://www.gordonlow.net/

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Richard van Heukelum

1 Feb 2017, 12:55 pm

On 1 Feb 2017, 10:54 am, sonjanna wrote:

Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t share your enthusiasm. As far as I understand the message at http://www.softpress.com, there will be NO Update of Freeway7 coming.

I certainly hope not, although I hope Freeway (or how it’s going to be called) will finally be a completely rewritten app, that embraces all what’s new and be tomorrow’s app … and no longer yesterday’s news.

As for now; Softpress’ new software has to be one awesome motherfucker will I even consider moving back from the Coffeecup software I’m using now, which has all that’s been asked (and more) for when I was still on Freeway.

However it’s great Softpress is (coming) back; hopefully packed with good stuff.

– Richard

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Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

grantsymon

1 Feb 2017, 1:04 pm

Tremendous news.

Very very happy to see this.

I’ve always upgraded with each FW update. It’s one of the apps I’ve always felt was worth upgrading and I shall continue to do so. I have for some time though, felt that Softpress needed to rethink their price strategy. I’ve felt that the price of entry was far too high and the price of upgrade, less so, but still too high. A good comparison I feel, is the price strategy employed by Serif for their new Affinity series of apps, which they’ve launched to compete with Adobe. $49, with frequent sales at $39, for a serious competitor to Photoshop. They have had huge success and are hiring at the moment. I think that FW selling at $39 could be the sweet spot it needs to get some cash coming in, although punters will have to believe that the company is back on a sound footing, before investing the time as much as the money.

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Haruki OMURA

1 Feb 2017, 1:23 pm

I am so happy to know that I can stick to Freeway for the further. Taking this opportunity, I thank all who are keenly support us through this Freewaytalk. In other word, your enthusiasm affect Softpress in proper position. Thank you all again.

Haruki_______

On 2017/02/01 22:03, “freewaytalk on behalf of grantsymon” <[email protected] on behalf [email protected]> wrote:

Tremendous news.

Very very happy to see this.

I’ve always upgraded with each FW update. It’s one of the apps I’ve always felt was worth upgrading and I shall continue to do so. I have for some time though, felt that Softpress needed to rethink their price strategy. I’ve felt that the price of entry was far too high and the price of upgrade, less so, but still too high. A good comparison I feel, is the price strategy employed by Serif for their new Affinity series of apps, which they’ve launched to compete with Adobe. $49, with frequent sales at $39, for a serious competitor to Photoshop. They have had huge success and are hiring at the moment. I think that FW selling at $39 could be the sweet spot it needs to get some cash coming in, although punters will have to believe that the company is back on a sound footing, before investing the time as much as the money.

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Paul

1 Feb 2017, 2:14 pm

Oooh - interesting. I wonder what they have in mind?

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vloerengilde

1 Feb 2017, 10:35 pm

i’m wondering and waiting to… patience isn’t my best part

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DeltaDave

1 Feb 2017, 11:49 pm

Great news.

There are many of us that hadn’t given up on SP instead biding our time and dipping toes in uncharted software water.

I haven’t been compelled to dive headlong into any of the alternatives even though I have bought many of them.

I suppose having quite a few legacy FW sites and not relishing their rebuild has probably held me back.

But I do hope that SP’s return will bring us a New FW version quite quickly that can make up some of the ground lost to other apps.

It is FW8 that I want to see.

My cash is waiting!

David

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Dave Boli

2 Feb 2017, 12:54 am

TOTALLY agree with Delta Dave. I tried out Coffee Cup and as Richard Van Heukelum says, it’s fantastic. Thing is, I haven’t had the time to learn it properly as doing alot of print based work last few months, but it did make me appreciate how far behind I had got relying on Freeway (Pro 7). I really hope Freeway 8 or whatever it will be called, will allow for more modern approaches while still giving us that amazing FREEWAY flexibility within the design of each element. I appreciate that going down the responsive route creates limitations that may not have existed, but it’s a case of accepting and going forward. I had a quick look at SP site and already it looks like they are modernising BIG TIME. I will ALWAYS support SP, they have been so good to me and felt guilty going elsewhere (well, had no choice!) My real name is David Streeten btw

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Doty

2 Feb 2017, 5:27 am

This is exciting news indeed!!! I have purchased several alternative apps, but I have not settled on any of them yet. I’ve appreciated learning how to do things outside of Freeway, but I love the familiarity I feel every time I launch FW. I can’t wait to hear more! I’m happy to see some dust kicking in these halls!

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Paul

2 Feb 2017, 10:08 am

OK, some digging was done on the Companies House website yesterday. This is where companies in the UK have to be registered.

There are two Softpresses that are salient to our interest.

Softpress Systems Ltd. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02881269

This is the Softpress that made Freeway. It is currently being liquidated.

Softpress Ltd https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09922376

This is, I expect (given that Richard Logan’s name is there), the new Softpress that is now active.

Some deep speculation follows: Softpress Ltd was set up to take on assets and IP of Softpress Systems Ltd. So development and maintenance of Freeway could carry on without all this information being lost. No doubt there is a hard drive with all the source code somewhere in Oxford, and not in Manchester.

The problems with Freeway won’t go away, and these are now compounded by the fact that Softpress of old has ceased trading for some time. All the folk who worked there are likely moved on to other jobs, so any chance of development being just picked up from where it last stood is slim.

Freeway was also written on a very, very old framework - MacApp - and this I expect has been kept going more by sheer belligerence than anything else. This has been discussed here before. TL:DR - It‘s a big job to move from away MacApp. I doubt it will happen.

So Freeway 8? 7.5? I dunno. Maybe we’ll get a sound Sierra update, but whatever Apple calls its next OS (Capri, Escort, Cortina, Orion?)*, it may be that Freeway will start to fail in ways that we can not predict. Maybe we’ll get patches to 7, but unless a team of crack engineers can be assembled to build such a future-proof beast, Freeway 8 will be a pipedream, not a reality.

Anything we see from Softpress v2.0 will more than likely be a 1.0 product. What it will be is anyone’s guess - software, online services, maybe things we’ll never see because they are more esoteric and focussed on a certain business sector. Maybe there will be a successor to Freeway - a brand spanking new DTP-like web design app that will work for the 21st century, and will bring us multiple undo.

My thoughts: keep looking for Freeway replacements, but we maybe be able to breathe a little easier knowing that there are small signs of life.

Good luck, Softpress 2 - bring us good things.

*Sniggers.

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Jeremy Hughes

2 Feb 2017, 12:15 pm

Hi Paul,

The problems with Freeway won’t go away, and these are now compounded by the fact that Softpress of old has ceased trading for some time. All the folk who worked there are likely moved on to other jobs, so any chance of development being just picked up from where it last stood is slim.

I haven’t moved on.

I worked on Freeway since it started, and I’ve been responsible for much of its core functionality, including HTML/CSS output, during that time. I’ve also been responsible for most of Freeway’s development in the past ten years - since Alan left.

Freeway was also written on a very, very old framework - MacApp - and this I expect has been kept going more by sheer belligerence than anything else. This has been discussed here before. TL:DR - It‘s a big job to move from away MacApp.

That’s true. Freeway also uses Apple’s Carbon framework, which was a framework for programs that moved to OS X from previous versions of Mac OS. Carbon is now deprecated, and Freeway needs to be rewritten in Cocoa. There were some previous attempts to do this, which I was not involved in, and they failed.

What I did after Softpress went into liquidation was to start learning Swift. Swift is Apple’s new programming language. It replaces Objective-C as the language in which future Mac and IOS applications will be written. As part of the learning process, I also started using Swift to write a program which is now almost completed. It’s not a web-design program, but it has given me the language and framework skills I need in order to write a modern web-design program.

Freeway is written in C++ using Apple’s Carbon framework and MacApp. I learned Cocoa and Objective-C by writing Chroma, which we released shortly before Softpress folded. I then learned Swift (and more Cocoa) by writing the program that I’m currently finishing. When this is finished, I plan to start rewriting Freeway in Cocoa and Swift. Freeway needs to be rewritten from the ground up, so the current version is going to be around for a while. We’re planning to release a minor upgrade soon, with some bug fixes.

Swift is great, by the way! C++ was the industry-standard language when Freeway started, and is probably the most widely used programming language outside of Mac/IOS development today - but I haven’t missed it since I started using Swift.

Jeremy

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Gordon Low

2 Feb 2017, 12:21 pm

This is excellent news and thank you very much for taking the time to share some of the future plans.

All the best

Gordon http://www.gordonlow.net/


On 2 Feb 2017, at 12:15pm, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Paul,

The problems with Freeway won’t go away, and these are now compounded by the fact that Softpress of old has ceased trading for some time. All the folk who worked there are likely moved on to other jobs, so any chance of development being just picked up from where it last stood is slim.

I haven’t moved on.

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Paul

2 Feb 2017, 12:37 pm

Jeremy - thanks for the clarification - it’s good to know that Freeway is still being cared for, and that someone I know from my time at Softpress is on the case, and that there will be updates. This makes me happy, and maybe I can scale back my search for an alternative now.

I’ve looked at Swift myself - and I find it to be more appealing to use than when I tried Objective C. I even managed to get a small phone app written a year or so ago with some guidance for a friend. I’d use it more, but I know that there are some deep API stuff that go beyond what I can comprehend(or there was a when I was looking at it -maybe that’s changed in the interim).

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Jeremy Hughes

2 Feb 2017, 1:08 pm

Hi Paul,

I’ve looked at Swift myself - and I find it to be more appealing to use than when I tried Objective C. I even managed to get a small phone app written a year or so ago with some guidance for a friend. I’d use it more, but I know that there are some deep API stuff that go beyond what I can comprehend(or there was a when I was looking at it -maybe that’s changed in the interim).

Swift isn’t easy, but it has stuff that isn’t built into other languages (such as support for optionals) that makes it easier to write good code.

Jeremy

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James Davies

2 Feb 2017, 1:15 pm

I know someone who might be able to beta test this some evenings :-)

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grantsymon

2 Feb 2017, 1:32 pm

On 2 Feb 2017, 12:15 pm, Jeremy Hughes wrote:

I haven’t moved on.

Jeremy,

this is an extremely valuable post and I’m certain that it will encourage many of us to hold out for good things to come. To be honest … it is pretty much exactly what we would all be hoping to hear.

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Jeremy Hughes

2 Feb 2017, 1:41 pm

Hi James,

On 2 Feb 2017, at 13:15, James Davies <[email protected]> wrote:

I know someone who might be able to beta test this some evenings :-)

Cheers! :)

For those who don’t know, James (like Paul) was part of the Softpress team in the past. We worked together at various Softpress locations over the years.

Jeremy

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Joe Muscara

2 Feb 2017, 1:51 pm

Thanks for the replies, Jeremy. You’ve written what I hoped you would, that the other apps SP released were testing and learning experiences in Cocoa, and that it would eventually come to FW.

Glad that you’re still around!

Joe

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JDW

2 Feb 2017, 2:13 pm

I’m certainly overjoyed to hear this. For months I’ve been dwelling long and hard on what Freeway alternatives might suit me, but I was never led astray — I still use Freeway. The fact that Swift will play a potential role in any new offerings is exciting to hear.

Jeremy, I’m pleased to hear you will still be a major contributor.

I would also like to offer my sincere thanks to Richard Logan, who no doubt was key to making this resurrection possible.

Best wishes,

James Wages

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Trey Yancy

2 Feb 2017, 2:20 pm

I’d be interested to know where things will be a year from now. I’ve been using FW for over a decade and am now update our old corporate site to responsive. Yesterday, for example, I had to pull a version from a backup from five hours earlier because a corruption that had snuck in (one example of many: suddenly all unformatted text defaulted to italic, right-justified). Lots of crashing and weirdness of the sort that begs for more than a patch. Redoing five hours of work….

I have no idea what’s going on at SP but I am wondering how much development can take place over a year for a complete rewrite and testing, regardless of new features. My needs are for stability, first and foremost, followed by better handling of responsive, followed by the ability to copy and paste divs without crashing.

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grantsymon

2 Feb 2017, 2:40 pm

On 2 Feb 2017, 2:20 pm, Trey Yancy wrote:

Redoing five hours of work….

I realise it’s a workaround, but for certain specific things, it can be a lifesaver:

I use Chronosync to backup a single folder on a 5 minutes schedule. It works seamlessly in the background, uses very little resources and can do it across a network (extremely quickly if you use ChronoAgent to go with it).

With FW you would still need to ‘Save’ your work continuously as you go along, because Chronosync (or any other backup app) won’t back it up unless the Modification Date has changed. However, doing a scheduled backup like this, would mean that you would only ever loose 5 minutes of work at most.

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Trey Yancy

2 Feb 2017, 3:42 pm

Thanks. As a precaution I’ve been saving separate versions once an hour, with basic saves after every change. I had to work my way back by half a day because using any of the later backups would result in the same creeping corruption. In this instance, the last healthy version had been five hours earlier.

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Caleb Grove

2 Feb 2017, 3:46 pm

I’m glad to see that Softpress is alive and kicking, and that Freeway will finally be built anew. I can’t wait to see how things stand in a year or two. Congratulations to the whole team!

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FreewayPro_User

2 Feb 2017, 3:47 pm

Hi Jeremy,

Have you or the Softpress team ever considered switching instead to more open frameworks, such as Electron or NW.js ? In doing so you would not be locked into system or vender specific frameworks, and could open up the software to more users overall and increase the revenue streams for Softpress and Freeway Pro.

Perhaps something to consider. Your thoughts?

On 2 Feb 2017, 12:15 pm, Jeremy Hughes wrote:

When this is finished, I plan to start rewriting Freeway in Cocoa and Swift. Freeway needs to be rewritten from the ground up, so the current version is going to be around for a while. We’re planning to release a minor upgrade soon, with some bug fixes.

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chod

2 Feb 2017, 6:32 pm

This is a most timely notification. I was just minutes away from buying RapidWeaver when I decided to check in one more time on Freeway Talk. I downloaded many of the other apps to experiment with but none really grabbed me. I’ve retired now so I can patiently wait for the new upgrades and work with Freeway and Backdraft. Thanks to all that have helped me thru the years and I’ll save up for whatever is required in the future. All the best and thanks for your dedication. -Chod Lang (now living in the Azores!)

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Dave Boli

2 Feb 2017, 8:51 pm

Thank you Jeremy for your input. I agree with others where I believe that WHOVER you use needs to be paid and I have always got the latest FW uploads, it’s not just about saving a few pounds here and there, it’s basically common sense. The recent fall of SP bears testament to that, those who didn’t suffered accordingly. I work and expect people to pay me!. I am just so pleased that at least SP are back and despite looking at the pros of Coffee Club (a plenty) I will definitely give FW my utmost effort. I had been using it last few months and feeling guilty when going to clients and setting up new websites thinking I was going to have to change platforms. Fingers crossed for SP and fingers crossed for US, Cheers Dave Streeten

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Paul

2 Feb 2017, 10:55 pm

Trey Yancy: Jeremy is a clever stick - he’s managed to solve some truly tricky things in the past (some which I managed to under during my times with Softpress), so I am confident that a Swift/Cocoa re-write ins well within his capabilities. No doubt as things move on with Softpress, they’ll pull in more talent to help. A year? Well, even with the six-month hiatus, that’s pretty much in line with Softpress in the past where updates were fairly well spaced apart.

Be patient.

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Jim Feeney

3 Feb 2017, 6:26 am

Thank you, thank you, Jeremy! This forum has a fair number of “experts.” But lurking and learning here are (I believe) a large number of us amateurs.

I’ve used Freeway since 3.5 and have no complaints at all. I know it well enough to put out a pretty decent website that’s getting almost 50K unique visitors monthly. I’m an old man and cannot tackle the learning curve of completely new software. I intend to stick to my favorite (Freeway) until I assume room temperature. You all are a blessing!

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Trey Yancy

3 Feb 2017, 2:25 pm

I just wrote a glowing post that took long enough to write that I was silently logged off and the content was lost when I hit the post button.

The short version: I have been a published software reviewer for 16 years, covering applications ranging from the basics to software that retailed at $8K a pop.. When I first got my hands on FW, I was extremely impressed by the combination of ease of use, power, and the creativity it inspired; making it one of only four serious apps I’ve ever used that I would describe as being fun. And, while this is superficial, the packaging, presentation, spiral-bound documentation, made an impression as well – telling me that the people at SP really “got” it.

I confess that when the responsive features appeared, I decided not to publish; choosing to wait for certain issues to be resolved. Hopefully, the unfortunate turn of events this Summer will result in a version of Freeway that will reclaim the crown of best of category.

With my day job as a CD, I have to wear far too many hats and have so much going on in my 50 hour week that I sometimes must rely on the FW forum for assistance (thanks to Dan, Erns and everyone else) but I will say that while I’ve tried nearly every alternative (and even purchased several apps when the trial periods expired, and every one of them has a huge “gotcha” of one type or another. FW remains my platform of choice.

Reviewers are supposed to be objective, but I am definitely looking forward to FW8. There is clearly a lot to do and I’ll continue to cheer for the FW people every step of the way.

Okay, so it wasn’t a short version….

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Frank

3 Feb 2017, 10:21 pm

This is such awesome news and like others on here very timely. I’m on the verge of potentially picking up a very large web project and feeling guilty that I may be producing it with defunct software. I’ve been using Freeway for more years than I can remember and love the programme, faults and all. Yet in the last year I took web design to much higher levels than I had ever before as I learned, through css coding, to fine tune websites to work responsively on any device/screen, so I was devasted at the previous news and overjoyed at the latest news. Much thanks :-)

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Dave Boli

3 Feb 2017, 11:46 pm

Thankyou Trey for your encouraging words. Yes, the RESPONSIVE element is the future and I guess where SP (and myself) were lagging. I only hope that with the extra CONSTRAINTS re responsive we will still have much of the original flexibility re FW and ease of use - similar to FW Pro 7. I will always support FW and will be happy to pay what it’s worth, Dave Streeten

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Marcus Do Carmo

7 Feb 2017, 6:54 pm

These are amazing good news!! Happy to hear that!!

Marcus

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Miami, Florida

iMac 27” - Mac OS 10.10.3 - Freeway Pro

http://www.plusartgraphics.com

John Robinson

8 Feb 2017, 7:35 pm

Great news.

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Trey Yancy

8 Feb 2017, 10:49 pm

I know that it’s apples and oranges but Hype’s approach to responsive design is very fluid.

I don’t know who’s monitoring the forum on the part of SP, but they should also look at the relationship of breakpoints in responsive. FW takes a breakpoint and condenses the content down to the next narrower breakpoint. Spreading up to the next breakpoint is a better approach.

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Dave Boli

8 Feb 2017, 11:54 pm

Good point Trey, but Coffee Club offer both working big and going small and vice versa, I personally prefer the former but see merit also in the latter

Dave Streeten

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Robert Mitton

9 Feb 2017, 9:54 am

For months I have been in a dilemma of trying to decide what to do next as far as building anymore websites for my clients. And for months I have been trying to check out the alternative softwares for this. Though I am using the Adobe CC package, I do not want to get stuck into having to forever keep it. (In other words I am not using Muse.)

I was recently given a huge project by my best client and I had to tell him that I did not have my web editing software anymore and was checking out new apps. For about a month I thought that I would be going with Pinegrow, but I simply do not know HTML and CSS enough to even attempt using that software. Then I was within hours of buying Sparkle when I found out about SoftPress coming back to life. YES!!!

I always paid for the upgrades to FW Pro when they came out and bought Exhibeo too. So keep the upgrades coming and I will keep paying for them!

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Trey Yancy

9 Feb 2017, 2:04 pm

With big-to-small I don’t see a point to the lowest breakpoint in FW having any content at all. One thing I’ve had to contend with was that the small-to-big approach of Hype is the opposite of FW. If I had set up different heights for various breakpoints (important with the narrowest breakpoints) Things would be jumping all over the place when I resized a window or zoomed. I’ve had to make all my Hype projects have identical heights across all breakpoints.

When I can work from the minimum size and stretch it I knowhow things will fit. Working from the opposite direction requires jumping back and forth, tweaking and re-tweaking. If FW can support both, that would be great, but if it were only one direction I find that small-to-big saves time (but I do like the big-to-small inheritance of the style sheets).

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Harold Appel

9 Feb 2017, 4:49 pm

Really glad to hear that Freeway might have a future. I’ve been trying Rapidweaver and see its potential but find the learning curve (and cost) is steep for this aging (75) webmaster. I really have enjoyed using Freeway and hope I can stick with it. I will be glad to pay for upgrades as well.

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Pro 7.0

Trey Yancy

9 Feb 2017, 6:09 pm

To any FW users who are over 39: Adopt the Jack Benny approach. It works for me.

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Hermie

9 Feb 2017, 9:35 pm

Yes, yes, yes! Just found the revival news purely by coincidence. Hope it all works out and cheers Freeway people.

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Thomas Kimmich

10 Feb 2017, 10:01 am

I’m certainly happy, too for this audience having their beloved application back.

The last half year taught me a lot. It mainly taught me, that a good amount of people all across available platforms and applications simply do not know what responsive design is. Neither from the technical nor from the design approach.

It has even been declared as the “FUTURE” of web-design some lines above.

Yes, the RESPONSIVE element is the future and I guess where SP (and myself) were lagging.

Responsive has been described the first time back in 2010 (A list Apart by Ethan Marcotte), and with introduction of media queries in CSS3 in 2012 it’s available for to use. The future isn’t now (or in future), the future is 5 years old. Some could call it the past - or even standard.

I started web design at the age of 39 or 40 - nearby 10 years ago. I knew nothing!!! Even less. FreewayPro taught me, that you can walk in slow steps. But Freeway taught me as well, that those steps doesn’t necessarily need to be bigger or even faster to reach a goal. It simply taught me walking target-oriented.

The key knowledge of successful web-design is being aware, what “positioning” or placing an element (mostly a green rectangle) means - literally. Ask yourself: “What is the purpose of this element?” How shall it react if it is displayed in different conditions (smaller canvas, bigger canvas) and how shall it finally interact with other elements on the same canvas (the one below - or to the right).

Rather than searching for an “alternative” you could have had an invest in this. Or you even should. Because it is important for all applications out there.

I heartily fought pro FreewayPro and its concept of creating responsive design. But these days I think, that it isn’t flexible enough to attract people - say below 39 - giving it a go. And who will substitute all those current user once they retire?

That’s the future up to my definition - and fighting with 49 is painstaking, if not to say pointless.

Cheers

Thomas

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Kimmich DigitalMedia

http://www.kimmich-digitalmedia.com

T.+49(0)7404-914 384

Somewhere in the South of Germany

max

10 Feb 2017, 4:52 pm

Tell you what.. Thomas if you really want very very VERY old responsive design have a look at this… its the earliest form of responsive design I know and it comes from an era of basic html.

Have a chuckle.. but you can’t argue the fact that this old design is a real pioneering responsive site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040325033617/http://www.fleetlanguagecircle.org.uk/

max

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it’s better to be lucky than clever.. :o)

Trey Yancy

10 Feb 2017, 4:59 pm

Max - If you were to bring that forward about three years, that would reflect the state of the consumer site for the place where I work when I signed on six years ago - a large manufacturer of high-end consumer products (occupying a 40 acre facility) that positions itself as being the very best in the entire product category. This outfit did not have Ethernet until 2003.

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Thomas Kimmich

10 Feb 2017, 5:49 pm

Yep - Max I certainly agree.

To be honest, I even know an older one. It still exists and is:

http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html

I recently tried to explain, that we do not have to MAKE a page responsive, all we have to do is to KEEP it responsive.

But you know what? Nobody understood me.

Cheers

Thomas

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Thomas Kimmich

Kimmich DigitalMedia

http://www.kimmich-digitalmedia.com

T.+49(0)7404-914 384

Somewhere in the South of Germany

Dave Boli

10 Feb 2017, 8:53 pm

Age isn’t an issue to me, Whether I’m 20 years old or 60, it is irrelevant. Creativity has no age in my mind. You either want to move with the times or not. I keep up to date with most of my programs as it’s my business and I am totally compatible with my other colleagues. I do agree that RESPONSIVE scared the living crap out of me when I got FW 7 and I lazily opted out from learning, but now want to get stuck in. I saw a client yesterday and they showed me their new responsive site and they were more knowledgeable than me - DOH! Of course there are added restrictions etc, but whether I like it or not, I WILL learn it and utilise it with as much flexibility as I can within what I currently do on FW and continue to earn money by doing so. Just saying… (Dave Streeten)

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Nicholas

11 Feb 2017, 1:13 am

I have to say I began to lose all hope in you guys not returning. But and if all goes well your return would be much appreciated more than you think. There are many mac users that rely on your great product/s and have got used to using FWP etc.. I don’t think I in particular have the time to use or redesign my (half finished) website with another product. keep the upgrades coming and I will pay for them. I understand that for what ever reason you going out and HOPE THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE - You guys are great!! Please come back and I know your product will someday be realised by many more.

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Richard van Heukelum

11 Feb 2017, 12:28 pm

It’s not a matter of losing interest in Freeway or it’s community; it’s a matter of tools getting old and not sufficient anymore. Softpress’ Freeway just didn’t made the cut anymore. Years and years of adding feature requests to the beta list, none of the important ones still aren’t honoured.

I wrote this comment 9 years ago (March 2008), but I could have written it yesterday:

I’m sorry to start about this, but hey … an honest opinion from an enthousiast user.

It’s coming up, an upgrade from Freeway 4 to 5. But what is really coming up? No major anything. All bugfixes, and a handfull of savvy actions.

Don’t get me wrong; I’m very keen with the Scriptalicious actions. Ajax functionality in Freeway. This really could be the start of a whole new Freeway. What more can be added? I’m really excited about this one.

But Blogger templates? Hmmm … I don’t see the bigger picture here. Same goes for the graphic effects en background images. Nice but … no, just nice.

CSS Menu’s aren’t new to Freeway. It has been here allready, it just has been updated. That’s what it says on the website as well … updated this, updated that … but nothing groundbraking, nothing that makes Freeway 5 an upgrade rather than an update. There hardly is anything honestly new. Dozens of bugfixes should be just monthly updates or whatever.

I would rather see something that brings Freeway back where it was before: ahead of the competition. Let’s be honest; however it has been asked for numbers of times: you can’t get to the generated code unless you use Tim’s Source Code Snooper. Why? Why not put this into Freeway? If you don’t want to look under the hood, just don’t! But at least hand the opportunity.

Same goes for CSS and stylesheets. Why give just a couple of selectable options and hide the rest behind the Extended button? Why make people write the code in ‘Extended’ while you can perfectly should be able to do this in the Styles?

Take a look at Coda or CSS Edit … those app’s don’t just look amazingly ‘Leopard-like’, they work perfectly and give you everything you need to handle code, stylesheets, whatever. This is what Freeway lacks … that ‘something’ that just completes the whole picture, interface-wise as well as functionality. Freeway 5 is perfectly stable, works like it should, it’s more that fine. But -to me- nothing compared to Freeway 4 stands out so much that ‘you just have to get Freeway 5’.

I will buy Freeway 5 … ofcourse I will. It still is an amazing application, wich does everything it promises, even more. But after using Coda and CSS Edit I’m just affraid that we are getting behind. Freeway doesn’t deserve that, it was and should be number 1 (or at least top 3).

Still a proud user, Richard

Sad fact is that Freeway within years struggled with that MacApp legacy, but even though there was a 8-year gap between FW5 and FW6 … nothing happened. We kept trying to work with the tools we had, even though they weren’t that sufficient … but hey … even with FW5 you were able to create adaptive/responsive/fluid websites. And fact is that even though the hardcore FW users kept pushing requests and reports to Softpress, hoping something would happen. It just didn’t.

I can only hope Jeremy gets it.

– Richard

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Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

JDW

11 Feb 2017, 12:51 pm

I have little doubt that Mr. Hughes “gets it.” Freeway was merely held back my its MacApp roots. Rebuilding it in Swift will be no small undertaking, assume that is even what SoftPress2 is up to. But whatever is built in Swift by them should be far better than anything produced on MacApp when running on our modern Macs in this day and age. The only matter will be how long it will take to develop such an app. Even small changes to Freeway took ages in the past. But I don’t know if that was due to MacApp or something else. I guess we need to wait and see. But there must have been some light seen at the end of the tunnel for SoftPress2 to have been created. I doubt it was revived on a whim.

—James Wages

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Richard van Heukelum

11 Feb 2017, 8:00 pm

You’re absolutely right, my friend.

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Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

David Wilson

13 Feb 2017, 5:36 pm

Allow me to post my two cents, Thanks first for returning to build Freeway for the users that enjoy it, I read lots of these emails (sorry not all) and I have learned from the many great users here, from what I see there is no way for Softpress to exist if their only target is the PRO designers making a living from this app, they need guys like me as well, I buy every update but only update my one web site once every year or two. So with that being said I do need/want features that are the Freeway best but can not afford to pay a subscription for my extremely limited use. I don’t think I am alone in this as I’m sure Softpress has more that 15-25 users. I fully understand what the Pros want and actually need to a lesser degree than me. I would like some of those features too but will never learn CSS or HTML. So I hope all you PRO users get what you want and need but that Softpress can still remain within reach for guys like me.

Thanks, Studiodave

ps: a quick search on my system shows I have 106,891 emails from Freewaytalk going back to 2008

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www.sistudio.net

Trey Yancy

13 Feb 2017, 6:28 pm

FW doesn’t force users to go beyond their comfort zone. It could still build flat static sites as before, if I wanted. For those who prefer to keep things easy, the only relevant changes in the UI have been in various sizing options (flexible, etc.).

For those who need to keep things simple, the best thing is to hang on to earlier versions. I manage one static site, for example, that was designed on 5.5 and is not in need of conversion to something newer. If there are any small tweaks needed, I launch 5.5. For all my other sites I use 7.

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Robert Mitton

14 Feb 2017, 7:05 am

Again I must say that I am much relieved to learn that my beloved Freeway Pro will be around now maybe much longer than me! (I was terminal two years ago at this time and ended up getting an experimental aortic heart valve popped in without open heart surgery)

Years ago, like in 1997 I knew that sooner or later I would not be able to continue doing my electrical contracting and the isolation of ceiling mounted surgical microscopes and started to study SEO in the summer of 97, a year before Google was on the net.

Being SEVERLY dyslexic I can not do any real coding and never intended to learn it really. I bought my first computer that same year because I saw it all coming together, the decades long visions in my head, multimedia and broadband. It was finally becoming possible and it was a very exciting time for me and though I had a very complex business dealing in the world of micro surgery, I did not have all that much intensions of using the computer for business as I did to learn multi media and the web.

Next month makes it twenty years I’ve been using a computer, always a Mac. My first three paid for applications were Photoshop 3, QuickTime 3 Pro and Netscape. (Yes, I paid $35 for Netscape!)

The amazing thing about the Mac and the applications made for it, especially back then was the fact that all you needed was the thoughts in your head and the determination to make it happen with multi media. You picture in your mind what you want and tell that to the software and then the software itself writes the code. PERFECT!

Started using PageMill around 2000, moved on to GoLive and a few years later got screwed on GoLive 9 and in January 2009 I started using FWP as my web software. The beauty of FWP is that you do not have to be a “pro” at anything to make a website basically as you want. Granted, I am not an artist and have little graphic training whatsoever, so my web design is not the best visually.

But here’s where I found FWP to really help me make most of my living these days. It really allows me to create my style of organic SEO that puts my clients at the top of the search results on the first page. To me the very most important aspect of any business website is the careful plotting and planning of building a solid foundation in SEO and then build the design around the needs of the SEO for that client.

My clients’ competition all mostly use WP or another CMS web builder and I find that truly puts me to the advantage right from the start. A complex “backend” can and does really screw with SEO and you’re best not to use it when you can.

The way that I can manipulate how I want the directories in a site, how I can name the URLs and many other little things that are just common sense to my SEO seem to be a tough thing to maneuver with the CMS systems. And the search engines are not reading a ton of crap before it finds the SEO parts it wants to read like it does in a CMS.

Granted, I need to learn more HTML and CSS now these days. But after a week of trying to use Pinegrow, I am so GLAD that I can still use FWP and keep doing what I have been doing!

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Noel Sergeant

14 Feb 2017, 7:26 am

Another great thing about FWP is that there are so many great inspirational people using it.

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MacFinn

14 Feb 2017, 2:09 pm

This was a very nice surprise. Glad I was putting off transferring my few sites to Rapidweaver or Blocs. Now it’s business as usual for me.

Thank for that!

Anyway, anybody happy that Softpress is back, head to their Marketplace and purchase something, just to show you’re glad they’re back!

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Greg LeRoy

3 Mar 2017, 3:17 am

I’ve been a Freeway Pro user since 2004, when I wanted to build a batch of websites without learning coding, but rely upon my knowledge of Adobe products.

Freeway fit the bill. I probably didn’t have to spend more than a couple of hours looking up things in the manual before I had everything down. And I found that the updates occurred often enough for the software to be current (according to my limited expertise), but not a case of updateitus, where you’d have to worry about endless conflicts.

I don’t do much with the websites I administrate; just make changes when necessary. But I was so concerned about not being able to update my MAC OS on a regular basis that I installed the MAC 10.11.3 on a virtual machine with VM Fusion and transferred all of my freeway stuff to that virtual machine. For a reason I could not determine, Freeway worked fine, except that I could not add text or select existing text to modify. After 3 hours of trying to find a solution, I was getting ready to create another VM with a lower version of El Capitan, 10.11.

Before doing that I checked the Softpress website and discovered that they have been exhumed. Naturally I am grateful. Like everyone, I’d love to know when one could expect FW to be Sierra compliant.

Not that I am complaining, mind you. I’m an old guy who was a techie “back in the day,” having been retired 8 years, and not looking to haunt all of the boards to figure out the latest tweaks. I just want my stuff to work so I can go onto other things.

So best to Jeremy et al. I hope that the transition to Swift based code works out, and that we’ve many years to go with such an intuitive and friendly product.

greg

greg

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qhrider

7 Mar 2017, 6:46 pm

Just testing here to see if my comment posts, as my the one I posted earlier didn’t take.

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qhrider

7 Mar 2017, 7:20 pm

Haven’t checked-in in a while…nice to find this update! In the meantime, I’ve been tinkering with PineGrow Pro (bought it) and CoffeeCup (until the trial ran out).

Would like to take this Freeway new development opportunity to express my top “wish list” items. First, I’ll voice some of my likes and dislikes of Pinegrow and CC to put them in context:

I like Pinegrow for the following reasons: Can open up other sites from any program (no need to rebuild), brings in the style sheets, etc. (so far, perfectly!). The latest version includes a built-in CMS that is very easy to apply to any element that you would want clients to be able to edit themselves. (I should add that Muse now has a built-in CMS, albeit limited) that also enables the desktop file to automatically update to include any in-browser changes.) I also like that Pinegrove is a combination of visual and coding. I’m not an expert coder by any means, but I like that I can easily access it when I want or need to. On the flip-side, while Pinegrove has much flexibility, it also has a big learning curve (I’m still at it) and there are certain things about the interface I wish were different and more intuitive.

CoffeeCup: Fun, intuitive interface. Lots of add-on components and always developing more. They say they are working on the ability to edit visible code (side panel type-thing) and a built-in CMS feature, as people have been asking for these, but they don’t have a roll out date. A new version is coming out soon, but it doesn’t look like it will include these yet. They definitely will not be offering the ability to open up sites created in other programs.

So, for Freeway Pro, my top wish items for the new version are: 1. Easy, built-in CMS (to allow clients to edit specific areas…text, photos, videos, etc.—a must-have these days.) I’m aware there are 3rd party plug-ins available, but prefer to have all-in-one, and even better if the desktop file could pull-in any changes made by the client (like Muse does); 2; Ability to edit code in a side panel or pop-up, rather than buried in extended panes, etc.; 3. Fresh, new interface— as much as I like FW, I always felt the interface was a bit clunky and dated; 4. Ability to open up other html sites. I realize this last one may be the toughest from a programming aspect, but it would be great. It could also encourage non-users to transfer over (like InDesign did with Quark…subsequently replacing Quark as the professional design industry standard.)

If the new FW Pro could incorporate all or most of these, it could leap beyond its competition, as none of them contain all these features. I realize I’m looking for perfection, but it doesn’t hurt to ask. :)

In the meantime, I won’t begin new sites using FW, as it will affect my professional credibility if a client ask what program I’m creating their website in or googles Freeway to find the company has gone out of business.

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max

7 Mar 2017, 11:01 pm

Personally, I think this is a weird thing to think… I have been building and designing sites for 20 years with literally thousands of items such emailers, websites, print items, video work, and no client has ever asked what I have created the item in.

If I were you I wouldn’t worry

max

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it’s better to be lucky than clever.. :o)

DeltaDave

7 Mar 2017, 11:25 pm

Personally, I think this is a weird thing to think… I have been building and designing sites for 20 years with literally thousands of items such emailers, websites, print items, video work, and no client has ever asked what I have created the item in.

Agree - all my sites are built with html and css - the actual application is just not relevant!

D

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Glasgow, Scotland

iMac 27 5K El Cap and Pro Final

JDW

8 Mar 2017, 12:29 am

Just tell your client you use a variety of tools, not excluding hand-coding (which we all do to some extend even within Freeway). It’s not like a client needs to know every little secret you employ to get the job done. Maybe they are asking so they can go out and buy the tool you mention so they can then ditch you!

James W.

Proud user of Freeway, since 1999.

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David Owen

8 Mar 2017, 9:06 am

Thing is, adding a CMS on top of a Freeway site is easy. As long as you’ve taken the time to learn how to do it.

“No pain, no gain” and all that ;-)

David Owen
http://www.davidowendesign.com

Creative Design | Print Production | Web Design & Strategy | Domains & Web Hosting

On 7 Mar 2017, at 19:20, qhrider <[email protected]> wrote:

  1. Easy, built-in CMS (to allow clients to edit specific areas…text, photos, videos, etc.—a must-have these days.)

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Joe Muscara

8 Mar 2017, 12:04 pm

On 7 Mar 2017, 11:25 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

Personally, I think this is a weird thing to think… I have been building and designing sites for 20 years with literally thousands of items such emailers, websites, print items, video work, and no client has ever asked what I have created the item in.

Agree - all my sites are built with html and css - the actual application is just not relevant!

I’ve had a client who, after finding out I was a Mac user, often asked me, “can you do that on a Mac?” (she didn’t even know that I used Freeway) I learned to not bother telling them anything about my tools like that. What’s important is that you get the job done efficiently and well.

OTOH, it’s good to tell fellow Mac users who are or want to get into web work about Freeway and spread the word!

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qhrider

8 Mar 2017, 1:36 pm

Thanks for your input. Regarding beginning new sites in FW at this time, it’s great that those of you who commented are still comfortable using it, I’m just saying that it’s not the correct situation for me it at this time. It’s not just clients (I agree they don’t need to know all the details, nor do I offer them, but they do ask, as they are informed and curious), but it’s also professional colleagues and strategic partners with whom I sometimes collaborate. Working in defunct software just won’t cut it. When the company and software are back in full swing, I will be very excited to look at it again.

As for the CMS, I did write that a CMS can be added to a FW site and I’ve done so, it was merely a suggestion and something I would like to see. If the competition is already beginning to incorporate such a feature, it would make sense for FW to consider doing the same.

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Trey Yancy

8 Mar 2017, 3:49 pm

I understand the need to collaborate with others. Working for a manufacturer, I use FW to create full-site templates for dealer websites and pass things over to a third party to handle the customization for the individual dealers.

With something like PineGrow, someone can import pages from FW and get right to work. Clearly, things such as master pages must be output and imported as well and there are other details, but it really comes down to the situation as to what’s the best approach, including whether to use FW or something else.

As for being defunct, this is not the case with FW. It hasn’t been upgraded in a good while, but in terms of the app, nothing whatsoever has changed.

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JDW

9 Mar 2017, 12:20 am

Working with “defunct” software?

Such an assertion demands an explanation of how “defunct software” is more horrid than hand-coding a website. :-)

Whatever gets the job done in a way acceptable to the client (or yourself if building for yourself) should be all that matters.

James Wages

P.S. This is FREEWAYtalk. As such, if I appear to be defensive of Freeway, should anyone be surprised? By the way, I am not just a Freeway fan but one of its biggest critics; however, I seek constructive criticism with the aim of making it better. With SoftPress back online again, even with limited staff and resources, perhaps that can still happen. I hope so. Freeway has its problems, but I still use it unashamed.

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Dave Boli

9 Mar 2017, 3:33 am

Can anyone look at my site www.streetwisedesign.net http://www.streetwisedesign.net/ and www.tommybolin-official.com http://www.tommybolin-official.com/ and tell me ifI need to do something! I did these on FW Pro but I KNOW they are outdated, but want to move forward WITH FW!!!!

On 9 Mar 2017, at 13:20, JDW <[email protected]> wrote:

Working with “defunct” software?

Such an assertion demands an explanation of how “defunct software” is more horrid than hand-coding a website. :-)

Whatever gets the job done in a way acceptable to the client (or yourself if building for yourself) should be all that matters.

James Wages

P.S. This is FREEWAYtalk. As such, if I appear to be defensive of Freeway, should anyone be surprised? By the way, I am not just a Freeway fan but one of its biggest critics; however, I seek constructive criticism with the aim of making it better. With SoftPress back online again, even with limited staff and resources, perhaps that can still happen. I hope so. Freeway has its problems, but I still use it unashamed.

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Dave Boli

9 Mar 2017, 3:45 am

I looked at Coffee Club and LOVED it, but I will stay faithful with FW until I think it’s not a goer. I have GREAT HOPES!!!!!!!! I loved FW for ease of use, I don’t want to know about codes etc, I want to design and create!…… hmmm just saying…

On 9 Mar 2017, at 16:33, David <[email protected]> wrote:

Can anyone look at my site www.streetwisedesign.net http://www.streetwisedesign.net/ and www.tommybolin-official.com http://www.tommybolin-official.com/ and tell me ifI need to do something! I did these on FW Pro but I KNOW they are outdated, but want to move forward WITH FW!!!!

On 9 Mar 2017, at 13:20, JDW <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Working with “defunct” software?

Such an assertion demands an explanation of how “defunct software” is more horrid than hand-coding a website. :-)

Whatever gets the job done in a way acceptable to the client (or yourself if building for yourself) should be all that matters.

James Wages

P.S. This is FREEWAYtalk. As such, if I appear to be defensive of Freeway, should anyone be surprised? By the way, I am not just a Freeway fan but one of its biggest critics; however, I seek constructive criticism with the aim of making it better. With SoftPress back online again, even with limited staff and resources, perhaps that can still happen. I hope so. Freeway has its problems, but I still use it unashamed.

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

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Trey Yancy

9 Mar 2017, 7:31 pm

Dave B: Bolin site: It needs to be responsive. Start with the default breakpoint and with your CSS text styles. Set styles for heading, subhead, and paragraph text that work with the well. Click on the popup at the bottom right of the CSS text panel and step down one breakpoint at a time, changing only the attributes that need changing (such as font size and weight).

Go back to your document. Refer to the documentation and set the document to fill the available width. I recommend creating an HTML object named PageContainer (or something similar) and set it to 100% width. Select everything else on the page, delete it , click in the PageContainer and paste it in. Set all the content relative to the the width. Make sure that every object (including groups / containters) is given a recognizable name.

Note that narrower breakpoints inherit the layout and object settings of the wider breakpoint.

Step down to the next breakpoint and make adjustments to objects using margins, padding and position. Only. You will notice that your font styles will have automatically adjusted to that breakpoint. If there is any object that needs to be changed radically, duplicate it, select the original object, then use the Inspector to uncheck the Display box. Now only the duplicated object can be seen. You can change it at will. If you set the pages pane at the left to display the content instead of the pages, you can see the two objects - one showing as turned off and the other as turned on.

Step down to narrower breakpoints and repeat the above.

It may take some poking around to figure it out, but as long as you start with a simple test cdocument with only a couple of objects and text items, it should be easy to work things out.

Re: Menus - Use CSS menus. You will need to set things so that the burger menu will display at narrow breakpoints. Note that you may wish to set up a special text style just for the menus.

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Richard van Heukelum

9 Mar 2017, 9:22 pm

I was an early adaptor of Freeway (1998), and have been faithful with it up until it’s demise. Heaven knows how I’ve been firing bug-reports and feature requests on a daily basis for about the last 8 years.

When I as a software developer want to reboot/relaunch my software after a crash, I would very much like to know what competitive software my former clientele is using now, why they are using it and what their advantages are. I want to get back in the game, with this very same application which failed to hold on to it’s users at first … I need to know what to do to make my app succeed this time around.

Is this a Freeway forum? Yes it is … but I would be naive not to take a look at the competition, especially when they are doing what I didn’t: move forward and use the feedback to create awesome software.

– Richard

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Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

Dave Boli

9 Mar 2017, 9:23 pm

Always appreciate your candid comments Richard. Honesty is so important!, Dave

On 10 Mar 2017, at 10:22, Richard van Heukelum <[email protected]> wrote:

I was an early adaptor of Freeway (1998), and have been faithful with it up until it’s demise. Heaven knows how I’ve been firing bug-reports and feature requests on a daily basis for about the last 8 years.

When I as a software developer want to reboot/relaunch my software after a crash, I would very much like to know what competitive software my former clientele is using now, why they are using it and what their advantages are. I want to get back in the game, with this very same application which failed to hold on to it’s users at first … I need to know what to do to make my app succeed this time around.

Is this a Freeway forum? Yes it is … but I would be naive not to take a look at the competition, especially when they are doing what I didn’t: move forward and use the feedback to create awesome software.

– Richard

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Dave Boli

9 Mar 2017, 9:24 pm

Thanks Trey. I remember I did a mobile redirect version for this, but that was a complete stall factor to sussing out responsive!… Dave

On 10 Mar 2017, at 08:31, Trey Yancy <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave B: Bolin site: It needs to be responsive. Start with the default breakpoint and with your CSS text styles. Set styles for heading, subhead, and paragraph text that work with the well. Click on the popup at the bottom right of the CSS text panel and step down one breakpoint at a time, changing only the attributes that need changing (such as font size and weight).

Go back to your document. Refer to the documentation and set the document to fill the available width. I recommend creating an HTML object named PageContainer (or something similar) and set it to 100% width. Select everything else on the page, delete it , click in the PageContainer and paste it in. Set all the content relative to the the width. Make sure that every object (including groups / containters) is given a recognizable name.

Note that narrower breakpoints inherit the layout and object settings of the wider breakpoint.

Step down to the next breakpoint and make adjustments to objects using margins, padding and position. Only. You will notice that your font styles will have automatically adjusted to that breakpoint. If there is any object that needs to be changed radically, duplicate it, select the original object, then use the Inspector to uncheck the Display box. Now only the duplicated object can be seen. You can change it at will. If you set the pages pane at the left to display the content instead of the pages, you can see the two objects - one showing as turned off and the other as turned on.

Step down to narrower breakpoints and repeat the above.

It may take some poking around to figure it out, but as long as you start with a simple test cdocument with only a couple of objects and text items, it should be easy to work things out.

Re: Menus - Use CSS menus. You will need to set things so that the burger menu will display at narrow breakpoints. Note that you may wish to set up a special text style just for the menus.

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Richard van Heukelum

9 Mar 2017, 9:44 pm

On 9 Mar 2017, 3:33 am, Dave Boli wrote:

Can anyone look at my site www.streetwisedesign.net and www.tommybolin-official.com and tell me ifI need to do something! I did these on FW Pro but I KNOW they are outdated, but want to move forward WITH FW!!!!

These 2 can easily be converted/rebuild to be completely responsive using FW7 (not sure what you are using). Feel free to send me your zipped archive if you’d like to receive a template. Let’s see if I can point you in the right direction.

– Richard

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Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

Dave Boli

9 Mar 2017, 9:46 pm

Thanks Richard, I used the latest FW at the time, I think it was pro 7. I’ll sort out a zipped archive and a BEER or two, haha, Dave

On 10 Mar 2017, at 10:44, Richard van Heukelum <[email protected]> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2017, 3:33 am, Dave Boli wrote:

Can anyone look at my site www.streetwisedesign.net and www.tommybolin-official.com and tell me ifI need to do something! I did these on FW Pro but I KNOW they are outdated, but want to move forward WITH FW!!!!

These 2 can easily be converted/rebuild to be completely responsive using FW7 (not sure what you are using). Feel free to send me your zipped archive if you’d like to receive a template. Let’s see if I can point you in the right direction.

– Richard

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Richard van Heukelum

9 Mar 2017, 9:49 pm

By the way … this was the last project I did in Freeway7. So yes, responsive design is very much possible. The sliders were created in Coffeecup Responsive Content Slider.

– Richard

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Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

JDW

10 Mar 2017, 12:34 am

Dave, why not add a drop shadow behind your CSS menus like I do on my Freeway-created site here?

https://kiramek.com

Here’s the CSS I use within the HTML markup dialog (before </head>) to make the shadows appear:

I never use an email client to post to this list. I simply receive email notifications that replies have appear, then I come here with Safari and do my thing. Because we cannot EDIT or DELETE posts (for reasons I already know), I am very cautious about posting, which is why I noticed the URL missing in the Preview. The Preview is my Savior! It keeps me from posting a train of separate posts which can be hard to read and boggle up discussions. But since you cannot access the server to fix the problem, I guess it cannot be helped. So I will conduct a truly “blind” test here to see if a CSS Gist will come through as I expect…

The following is a copy/paste of the “Embed” URL (with SCRIPT tags) at GitHubGist:

A lot of sites that use menus don’t use shadows for some reason. I know that “flat” is all the rage, but I like to be practical. Flat may be the in-thing, but I don’t see MacOS ditching shadows behind menus or dialogs. Imagine what hell that would bring, making importing things blend into content beneath! That’s why I added shadows to my CSS menus in my Freeway sites. The menus look more natural (like your computer) and they don’t bend in with content beneath.

Food for thought!

Best,

James Wages

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JDW

10 Mar 2017, 12:38 am

Ooops. I copied and pasted an extra paragraph that wasn’t mean to be pasted here. Yet another reason I wish this list could ditch its email mailing list roots and “be normal” like other forums.

Please ignore the “I never use an email client…” paragraph. The rest is what I intended to post here.

Sorry,

James W.

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FreewayPro_User

10 Mar 2017, 6:35 pm

+1

This forum is so outdated.

SoftPress could go along way in improving there public and customer perception if they would simply:

• Update the security certificate — https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/thread/view/171938

• Archive this antiquated forum, still having the ability to search

• Switch to a modern forum like Discourse: https://www.discourse.org/

Simple endeavors to show progress, while they figure out the correct direction for there software and future.

On 10 Mar 2017, 12:38 am, JDW wrote:

“be normal” like other forums.

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Chris Rutkowski

10 Mar 2017, 9:05 pm

Hey Trey,

I wonder if you could point me in the right direction about making my site http://chrisrutkowski.com/ truly responsive. Some people don’t like the backgrounds (which are paintings by my brother, but I like the retro feel which parallels my emphasis on acoustic music as a jazz player and composer, so I’d like to keep them.

I think the simplest course is for me to redo the pages for viewing on phones, with a new menus and probably removing the background paintings for that breakpoint. Could you clarify that process? And do you have a suggestion for an alternative menu, perhaps one that pops out from the side?

Thanks!

Chris Rutkowski

On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Trey Yancy <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave B: Bolin site: It needs to be responsive. Start with the default breakpoint and with your CSS text styles. Set styles for heading, subhead, and paragraph text that work with the well. Click on the popup at the bottom right of the CSS text panel and step down one breakpoint at a time, changing only the attributes that need changing (such as font size and weight).

Go back to your document. Refer to the documentation and set the document to fill the available width. I recommend creating an HTML object named PageContainer (or something similar) and set it to 100% width. Select everything else on the page, delete it , click in the PageContainer and paste it in. Set all the content relative to the the width. Make sure that every object (including groups / containters) is given a recognizable name.

Note that narrower breakpoints inherit the layout and object settings of the wider breakpoint.

Step down to the next breakpoint and make adjustments to objects using margins, padding and position. Only. You will notice that your font styles will have automatically adjusted to that breakpoint. If there is any object that needs to be changed radically, duplicate it, select the original object, then use the Inspector to uncheck the Display box. Now only the duplicated object can be seen. You can change it at will. If you set the pages pane at the left to display the content instead of the pages, you can see the two objects - one showing as turned off and the other as turned on.

Step down to narrower breakpoints and repeat the above.

It may take some poking around to figure it out, but as long as you start with a simple test cdocument with only a couple of objects and text items, it should be easy to work things out.

Re: Menus - Use CSS menus. You will need to set things so that the burger menu will display at narrow breakpoints. Note that you may wish to set up a special text style just for the menus.

Chris Rutkowski Creative Director, Luna Media [email protected] www.chrisrutkowski.com http://chrisrutkowski.com/index.html

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waltd

10 Mar 2017, 11:59 pm

Speaking as the author of this forum (literally, hand-coded from the nuts up) I don’t disagree that time has not been its friend. But I would like to fill you in to some of the history that informed its design, and the particular place in time that it occupies.

FreewayTalk the first was a Gnu Mailman mailing list for the first umpty years of its existence. I joined in 1997, right after the end of the first beta for Freeway 1, and the launch of that product. As mailing lists go, it was easily one of the very best (and I was an active and early adopter of mailing lists). There was a tone and a camaraderie that has stayed consistent throughout all those years. The Ruby people I work with these days have a saying about this sort of community, centered around the developer of that language: “Matz is nice so we are nice.” The same could be said about this list, albeit centered around Freeway the product.

Somewhere around the mid-2000s, the cry went up among the populace that “mailing lists are old and boring — we need a forum”, and a PHPBB was duly put up in place of the mailing list. An incredible hack was developed that allowed the forum to continue to work with the listserv, and it worked in a serviceable manner, but those of us (myself included) that preferred the simplicity and pushiness of the mailing list found it to be really weak sauce, and I expressed my displeasure fairly loudly. I also have to admit that I didn’t contribute as much as I had, simply because the ergonomics of it were entirely wrong for the way my mind works.

About a year later, I proposed a new system, with its heart and soul firmly in the mailing list ethos, but with a core of a search engine and Web interface that could provide the Google visibility needed to make searches for information about Freeway top-of-the-results. Working with Finlay Dobbie, the then-teenaged wunderkind who was famously kicked out of the Apple Developer program for being too damned young, I developed a Web application that could interact with Mailman.. The mailing list was the database, in other words, so instead of the mailing list being a bolt-on to the forum, the forum was just another member of the list. This generation of the list launched in 2007 or so.

A few years ago, Softpress got most of the way done with a Discourse implementation, but for one reason or another, it never took over from the “Mailist” system I had developed. I’m not sure where that work is archived, or what state it is in, but it could be dusted off, I suppose.

The difference between a forum — no matter how glossy — and a mailing list, goes all the way to the bone, in my opinion. It’s a fundamental truth that if you get an e-mail and you reply to it, that interaction is pushed toward you. You don’t have to seek it out, search for a topic that interests you and contribute. You can respond. I am responsive by nature. I used to have a sign on my door at work that read, “If you react quickly enough, it can look like planning.” And I have lived my entire (very lengthy) professional career in that mode. I shudder to think what would happen to my contribution rate to this community without that mode of interaction. I just checked, and I have written 17,814 answers in the past 10 years. I am sure there were an equal number in the preceding (e-mail only) 10 years.

I am by no means the most frequent or prolific user, either, but one thread that has bound all of the frequent fliers together has been that they are “email subscribers” rather than the drop-in forum users who come in for a single purpose and then leave. That incredible longevity of membership is another (probably the most) important reason why this tends to be such a “nice” community. We are here for each other — a true community of interest, and we’ve seen each other through marriages, births, deaths, and career detours.

Thanks for letting me stroke my gray beard and tell you all a tale. And thanks for being a big part of my work life all these many years.

Walter

On Mar 10, 2017, at 1:35 PM, FreewayPro_User <[email protected]> wrote:

+1

This forum is so outdated.

SoftPress could go along way in improving there public and customer perception if they would simply:

• Update the security certificate — https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/thread/view/171938

• Archive this antiquated forum, still having the ability to search

• Switch to a modern forum like Discourse: https://www.discourse.org/

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Use Inlay - the deceptively simple CMS: http://inlay.io

Freeway user since 1997

http://www.walterdavisstudio.com

Carla

11 Mar 2017, 12:02 am

Walter

be assured we are all so grateful for this forum in any form!!!

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Jon H

11 Mar 2017, 10:55 am

I absolutely second Carla here and would like to add that Walter, and also DeltaDave comes to mind, in his answers and contributions never has lost the focus on the subject always writing objectively and to the point, never with an arrogant, sarcastic or know-it-all addendum. Which to the latters, I am sorry to say, does have happened in this forum.

So, hail you, Walter!

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FWPro7

pandion

11 Mar 2017, 2:03 pm

I have no problem with the current iteration of the method to communicate with others.

I do like messages pushed to me … I can read what others are doing, their problems and a variety of solutions. Some of which have triggered a light-bulb moment. Or given me an idea to chew-on for a future use.

I think we’ll worth having the pushed to me.

Thanks Walter

Peter Tucker, Oxford UK - but mobile somewhere iP6

On 11 Mar 2017, at 00:02, Carla <[email protected]> wrote:

Walter

be assured we are all so grateful for this forum in any form!!!

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Harold Appel

11 Mar 2017, 4:45 pm

Carla, I second that emotion.

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New York City

2012 iMac 27”

Pro 7.0

mobro930

11 Mar 2017, 5:25 pm

The “latest and greatest” is not necessarily the best. I like Walter’s handiwork and clearly if it helps him be of help to the many silent and vocal users of Freeway I’m very grateful for his guidance and happy to continue as is. Thank you Walter for all the responses and help over these many years.

On 3/11/17 11:44 AM, Harold Appel wrote:

Carla, I second that emotion.

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Richard van Heukelum

11 Mar 2017, 5:59 pm

On 9 Mar 2017, 9:46 pm, Dave Boli wrote:

Thanks Richard, I used the latest FW at the time, I think it was pro 7. I’ll sort out a zipped archive and a BEER or two, haha, Dave

Dave, I suppose you’re already getting around this without my service? Otherwise … I do have some spare time because 2 projects went very smoothly. My offer still stands :)

– Richard

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Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.12.6 Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : CSS Grid Builder / Responsive Site Designer / Responsive Foundation Framer / Responsive Bootstrap Builder / Responsive Content Slider / Responsive Email Designer / Color Palette Manager / Sonar / Website Insight and Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

FreewayPro_User

11 Mar 2017, 6:36 pm

On 10 Mar 2017, 11:59 pm, waltd wrote:

I would like to fill you in to some of the history that informed its design, and the particular place in time that it occupies.

The difference between a forum — no matter how glossy — and a mailing list, goes all the way to the bone, in my opinion.

Hi Walter (& whomever else),

I was not trying to diminish past efforts or achievements of the community or Softpress with my suggestion. But much like the Freeway app itself, perhaps now more than ever, considerations towards more modern offerings and more so - modern standards are past the time for consideration.

Let it be known that Discourse does offer interaction via mailing lists, emails, etc., and continues to improve further upon those features. In addition to all the added features and vast benefits something like Discourse has to offer for communities. Which are too many to list here, but all of which should be more than obvious, even to the most novice of users.

It’s well discussed within the Discourse community here are just a few quick examples:

• Discourse vs Email & Mailing lists

https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-vs-email-mailing-lists/54298

• Discourse and Email Lists (like Google Groups)

https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-and-email-lists-like-google-groups/39915

• Feature Roadmap - Mailing lists

https://meta.discourse.org/t/moss-roadmap-mailing-lists/36432

Etc.,

In the end, the choices Softpress decides upon in the present for moving forward and into the future both with their apps and overall platform will dictate the success of reopening their doors and likewise vanquish the memory of past false steps and miscues. The choices this time around are more important than ever for Softpress. So is learning from the past, and even more so choosing to not remain or exist within it. This holds true for Softpress and its users.

The “Discourse” suggestion was purely meant for the betterment of the overall community and platform. Much like my suggestion seen further above about possible alternative development considerations to “open up the software to more users overall and increase the revenue streams for Softpress and Freeway Pro”. My intentions and suggestions were not in malice or to be offensive to anyone. But rather with the ideal only to provide possible benefit to Softpress and its users.

On 10 Mar 2017, 11:59 pm, waltd wrote:

“If you react quickly enough, it can look like planning.”

Beyond ironically however — Softpress in many areas, did not plan accordingly or react quickly enough in the past. This can’t be argued in many cases.

“The past is behind, learn from it. >> present << The future is ahead, prepare for it.”

Time will tell, how that ultimately works out for Softpress and subsequently its users as well. ;-)

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DeltaDave

11 Mar 2017, 6:51 pm

I absolutely second Carla

Thirded here!

While not quite as prolific as Walter I interact with FWT exclusively through the Web interface - it just suits me better.

But the fact is that each contributor has the option to use the method best suited to themselves.

This forum is so outdated.

A bit strongly put I think - it works fine for me!

Update the security certificate

Certainly - but there may be more important things that should be dealt with first.

Simple endeavors to show progress

I would far rather see updates/improvements in the app itself.

David

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Glasgow, Scotland

iMac 27 5K El Cap and Pro Final

FreewayPro_User

11 Mar 2017, 8:04 pm

On 11 Mar 2017, 6:51 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

Update the security certificate

Certainly - but there may be more important things that should be dealt with first.

Security, both real or perceived should always be of the utmost importance.

Imagine as people come across Softpress for the first time (unless new users are not desired?). As they look to see what community support is offered, as this along with proper documentation are two major interests of importance for new users or potential customers. Then they see the security warming, what type of image or perception is that projecting to these people?

Yet its such a simple fix to resolve this issue and prevent this type of unneeded perception for Softpress, its users and potential customers.

On 11 Mar 2017, 6:51 pm, DeltaDave wrote:

But the fact is that each contributor has the option to use the method best suited to themselves.

Fact is: As already mentioned above Discourse (as merely one example), likewise offers this as well, along with the vast number of added additional benefits to users.

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DeltaDave

12 Mar 2017, 1:13 am

Security, both real or perceived should always be of the utmost importance.

If I was submitting confidential information/credit card details I would agree but this is a forum!

Discourse (as merely one example), likewise offers this as well

But to implement a Discourse (or any other solution) diverts resources from the core product - the app itself.

I want to see the new Softpress on solid ground first. The twiddly bits can come later.

D

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Glasgow, Scotland

iMac 27 5K El Cap and Pro Final

Dave Boli

12 Mar 2017, 7:19 am

Hi Richard, I’ll sort that out tonight, ONLY if you have a minute, I can’t thank you enough, I’ll sort the file out later tonight, Dave

On 12 Mar 2017, at 06:59, Richard van Heukelum <[email protected]> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2017, 9:46 pm, Dave Boli wrote:

Thanks Richard, I used the latest FW at the time, I think it was pro 7. I’ll sort out a zipped archive and a BEER or two, haha, Dave

Dave, I suppose you’re already getting around this without my service? Otherwise … I do have some spare time because 2 projects went very smoothly. My offer still stands :)

– Richard

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Thomas Kimmich

15 Mar 2017, 2:06 pm

I want to see the new Softpress on solid ground first. The twiddly bits can come later.

All good, true and valid. But the question is:

“What is later - or when is later?”

I mean - if you’re as the average of this board, all you need is having an ensured installable copy of FreewayPro on upcoming OS X - done, right? Or in other words - we keep all as is. We don’t mind about current stat and future tricks, because all the things worked anyway.

But it may happen, that this above described part of users (the majority) will long be retired while a fresh and new motivated user (wherever he may be sent from) swallowing the stale air just because we persist on odd structures?

So it seems to be a good symbiosis between a developer who has to survive the next 2 or 3 years and its users who needs to cover the exact same period for to retire. The “after me, the deluge” attitude somehow.

Cheers

Thomas

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Thomas Kimmich

Kimmich DigitalMedia

http://www.kimmich-digitalmedia.com

T.+49(0)7404-914 384

Somewhere in the South of Germany

Vicki

19 Apr 2017, 3:18 pm

I just rambled back to check my old friend Freeway. Hooray!!!! I love the forum as it is, and will now try to tackle the responsive layout. Welcome back Freeway, I’ve loved you since you saved me from Dreamweaver way back at version 3 I think!

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Vicki Allwardt

http://folkhearts.com

Red Bluff, California

Alex Rollo

26 Apr 2017, 2:08 pm

On 3 Feb 2017, 2:25 pm, Trey Yancy wrote:

I just wrote a glowing post that took long enough to write that I was silently logged off and the content was lost when I hit the post button.

Ah, Trey, I can sympathise with you there. The same thing has happened to me so many times that I have now got into the habit of typing my replies out in TextEdit and then doing a copy/paste - but it took me a good few frustrating events like yours before I learned the lesson. Another irritating thing is, forums which put ‘stupid’ restrictions on some posts and then don’t give you the option of going back to editing them - restrictions like ‘the comments you have made are not relevant’ - even when they are VERY relevant.

Anyway, thanks for all your posts, I enjoy reading them.

And thanks to the other posters too for the great news about a possible continuation of Freeway, most of the FW users on here reflect my own experience and I too have a limited brain capacity to cope with learning new stuff.

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Dave Boli

30 May 2017, 3:51 am

Richard, SLOWLY turning things around, has been the worst 3 months of my life - too much to explain, but broken relationships and kids, not a good mix.

I CAN’T THANK YOU ENOIUGH for your help re Bolin site. I will look at it this week. I WILL WIN LOTTO AND YOU ARE FIRST ON MY LIST haha. Seriously, what you have done is so appreciated, I hope you think that because I didn’t respond earlier I didn’t value it.

I started to look at Coffee Club last Sept but then took my foot off the pedal Due to work and personal nonsense. Still a learning curve, but it seems so nice working within that environment, I put a good word about you to them as I read your comments on the FW forum. I hope they gave you massive discounts haha.

I loved FW, but didn’t go the responsive route when I should’ve. I still use it, but as you said I think Coffee Club is geared up and pretty damned good! I only hope the Softpress take on board your comments.

Anyway, thank you so much, I’ll look at the Bolin stuff this week and I can’t thank you enough

Dave

:))))))))

On 12 Mar 2017, at 06:59, Richard van Heukelum <[email protected]> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2017, 9:46 pm, Dave Boli wrote:

Thanks Richard, I used the latest FW at the time, I think it was pro 7. I’ll sort out a zipped archive and a BEER or two, haha, Dave

Dave, I suppose you’re already getting around this without my service? Otherwise … I do have some spare time because 2 projects went very smoothly. My offer still stands :)

– Richard

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