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Bert Green

14 Apr 2018, 7:58 pm

[Pro] New Freeway 8

I came back to this forum after some time away and am very happy to hear that Freeway 8 is in development. What brought me back was the issue with older 32 bit apps being potentially non-workable on a future Mac OS.

I did a bunch of research on alternatives and could not find anything out there that does what Freeway does. I was planning to bite the bullet and learn Dreamweaver , but I’d need to take an expensive class to really learn it, and set aside a huge amount of time to get up to speed. So the lure of a Freeway 8 is irresistible.

I have once question: will the backdraft responsive web extension work in Freeway 8, or will Freeway 8 have another type of framework that will work similarly? I have built several website all of which rely on it.

Oh, and I noticed that the Wikipedia page for Freeway needs to be updated with the news of a new version!

Richard van Heukelum

15 Apr 2018, 1:36 pm

We absolutely haven’t got a clue whenever or if Freeway 8 will see the light of day, but fact is that Freeway7 you can accomplish a lot, even though you wil have to learn how responsive web design works. When you know what to do within Freeway you’ll realise that this already was possible using Freeway 5, but nevertheless …

Fact is that no (existing) extension will offer Flexbox support, pure css parallax and all this. This is possible (demo), but you will have to write styles/stylesheets and apply those to your document. In fact, even blend modes are possible, mixing multiple images and create a mask from images. But it’s all on css and your experience level on Freeway.

I certainly hope they’ll get it done and catch up with current standards and even get ahead again. There’s a huge gap between modern web design apps and wherever Freeway7 ended. Fact is that no (!) current app offers the whole list of features that made Freeway a breeze to work with. Internal links, resource- and link- management … but even then it lacked a good css editor like CSSEdit was, or the support for units like vh/vw. I certainly hope this will not be forgotten, and by ‘it’ I mean keeping up with today’s and tomorrow’s web development standards.

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Pokerdice

15 Apr 2018, 11:17 pm

Decided to upgrade my FY 5.5 pro today to the FY 7.1.4 well worth doing and I’ll wait for the FY 8 if and when it is issued.

Caleb Grove

16 Apr 2018, 2:08 am

will the backdraft responsive web extension work in Freeway 8, or will Freeway 8 have another type of framework that will work similarly?

I wish I knew!

Softpress is infamous for playing their cards close to their chest, and to this point (AFAIK), we know little more than that the second coming of Freeway is in the works, that it will be built using modern technologies, and that it will probably arrive sometime before Linux becomes the preferred OS for graphic designers.

I would be open to rebuilding Backdraft for Freeway 8 when that day comes; but I certainly hope that it won’t even be needed.

Caleb Grove

Grove Design

Developer of Backdraft

David Damico

7 Aug 2018, 6:37 pm

I will certainly buy it if version 8 surfaces.

Auguste

21 Aug 2018, 11:14 am

Jeremy Hughes We are working on a new version of Freeway.

https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/thread/view/174677#m_174736

Auguste

freewaygal

23 Aug 2018, 3:53 pm

On 21 Aug 2018, 11:14 am, Auguste wrote:

Jeremy Hughes We are working on a new version of Freeway.

https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/thread/view/174677#m_174736

Yes, since 2 Feb 2017, 4:03 pm without any more information (aka “customer related communication”)… Come on! There will probably 1 user left over until Softpress finished “the new version of Freeway”. Sorry, as a long time user of Freeway I’m really p….. off – meanwhile. Good luck and “good night”.

freewaygal

23 Aug 2018, 4:01 pm

@Softpress: Did you notice that “Freeway Gurus” like Thomas Kimmich (and other “Freeway Pros”) already turned their back on Freeway?

freewaygal

23 Aug 2018, 4:06 pm

But really nice to know that “Fretspace ” is updated.

freewaygal

23 Aug 2018, 4:06 pm

;-)

freewaygal

23 Aug 2018, 4:07 pm

Good night for good. :-(

Jeremy Hughes

23 Aug 2018, 7:14 pm

On 23 Aug 2018, at 17:06, freewaygal <[email protected]> wrote:

But really nice to know that “Fretspace ” is updated.

Fretspace is a personal project that I developed when I wasn’t working for Softpress. I’m a guitarist, and I wrote Fretspace because it was a program I’d always wanted to have. If you don’t play guitar or a similar instrument it’s not for you.

I also wrote it as a way of learning Swift and Cocoa. Swift is a modern programming language that Apple introduced as a replacement for Objective C, and Cocoa is Apple’s application framework. Previous versions of Freeway are written in C++ using an old application framework (MacApp) and an old set of APIs (Carbon) that Apple have decided to discontinue.

We’re currently working on a new 64-bit version of Freeway. It’s not possible to compile a 64-bit version of Freeway 7, because it uses 32-bit APIs that Apple have abandoned. So Freeway is being rewritten from scratch. This is a major task, and (as I’ve said previously) it’s going to take us a while to complete it.

We’re also trying to support our existing users in the meantime. I reply to posts on FreewayTalk, and I deal with other support and sales issues. There are also experienced Freeway users who provide help and information here, and we’re grateful for their support.

If you decide to move on, that’s your choice and you’re free to make it. We’re grateful to users who continue to support us, but we understand that people come and go, and have always done so. I appreciate that you’ve been a Freeway user since version 3. Thank you for staying with us during that time.

I’ve worked on Freeway from the start and it’s something that I’m personally committed to. Creating a 64-bit version of Freeway is a major undertaking - even compared with previous transitions such as creating an OSX version - and it’s going to take us some time to do this.

Jeremy

Auguste

23 Aug 2018, 9:15 pm

Thanks Jeremy, I started with version 1 of Freeway. I remain attentive to your information because I like your product. At the moment I’m using Webflow and Sketch but I will buy Freeway version 8 as soon as it becomes available … Will it be possible to integrate Sketch projects by copying and paste them in Freeway8?

Auguste

Jeremy Hughes

23 Aug 2018, 10:12 pm

On 23 Aug 2018, at 22:15, Auguste <[email protected]> wrote:

Will it be possible to integrate Sketch projects by copying and paste them in Freeway8?

We’re always open to suggestions!

There are some other things we need to do first though…

Jeremy

David Damico

23 Aug 2018, 10:19 pm

Hi Jeremy. A big selling point for Freeway is “code free” design. It’s possible that some users (such as myself) used other similar apps before Freeway to do web design such as Apple’s iWeb but outgrew them. I’d like to see Freehand open, for instance, iWeb files.

Jim Feeney

24 Aug 2018, 3:41 am

Thanks, Jeremy. I imagine that some of Freeway’s users (like me) got into having a website at a later age (I’m 75) and/or, also like me, started without a shred of technical knowledge. Freeway has been invaluable to me. I just didn’t have the energy and stamina to take on a large new learning curve. User-friendly Freeway filled in the blanks nicely and still does. I’ve been on ever since Fwy Express 3.5 and Freeway has been an invaluable treasure to me and my initially low-tech brain.

Thanks for the work you’re doing to put out version 8/64-bit. Don’t feel pressured into going too fast and not getting it exactly how you want it. It’s not time-urgent. Right now I’m using a new iMac with OS High Sierra on Fwy 7 Pro. Everything has been working perfectly from the moment I moved up to OS High Sierra. I can look forward to Fwy 8, but without the time pressure, since 7 Pro is working fine as long as I remain in High Sierra.

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Paul

24 Aug 2018, 6:34 pm

On 23 Aug 2018, 10:19 pm, David Damico wrote:

Hi Jeremy. A big selling point for Freeway is “code free” design. It’s possible that some users (such as myself) used other similar apps before Freeway to do web design such as Apple’s iWeb but outgrew them. I’d like to see Freehand open, for instance, iWeb files.

iWeb files will be very different to Freeway files - and if you need to understand them, you’ll probably need to ask Apple for help with deciphering it. Also worth knowing that a lot of iWeb relied on server side mechanics - those on their own servers. You could probably get a subset of functionality on a non-Apple server, but if you wanted the galleries, the blogs, the commenting, you needed Apple’s backend.

So, really, for an iWeb like product from Softpress, they’d need a major investment on server side stuff as well - hardware, software (with all the security needs that implies), and the will and resources to support it. Lord knows how much that would cost, and I guess that Softpress may not be in the position to support all of that.

Right now, I‘d be jolly happy if Freeway 8^2 just opened the Freeway 7 files I have without any fuss :-)

And, while Jeremy is cheerfully taking suggestions for what file formats to load natively, can I pitch in my own hopes for Affinity Photo and Designer? ;-)

All the best,

Paul

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waltd

24 Aug 2018, 6:52 pm

It would be great to be able to paste a clipboard object into a Freeway page, and have it become a template layer you could draw native Freeway objects above. I used to recommend to people re-building a site that they place a screenshot of the original as the page background in Freeway, and then draw over that. Something that is not a part of the actual output page would be better for this, though. I’m thinking particularly of how Illustrator lets you use a placed photo as a (automatically ghosted-back) template layer here…

Walter

On Aug 24, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Paul <[email protected]> wrote:

And, while Jeremy is cheerfully taking suggestions for what file formats to load natively, can I pitch in my own hopes for Affinity Photo and Designer? ;-)

Freeway user since 1997

http://www.walterdavisstudio.com

vloerengilde

29 Aug 2018, 7:43 am

good to hear it’s still work in progress… if u need a real dumbass to try it out.. i’m ready! if time allouwes me, i keep waiting on 8!

www.vloerengilde.nl

Roger G

29 Aug 2018, 12:33 pm

Upgraded to 7 a couple of months ago after a long break (5 years) Ever so pleased I did. Feels like and old friend. Like Chroma and Exhibio as well. Good luck with Freeway8, there’s a real market and if you can integrate product training and support into some kind of business model (Adobe) your on a ‘chicken dinner’. Kind regards RogerG

Auguste

29 Aug 2018, 1:17 pm

We’re always open to suggestions!

There are some other things we need to do first though…

Jeremy


I know Jeremy there is a lot to do for Freeway 8. I would like to make further suggestions that may help for the future. After the proposal of the integration of Sketch files. I would like to draw your attention to new products that are really interesting.

Maybe Freeway 8 will adopt some features?

Flow https://createwithflow.com/ Framer X https://framer.com/x

I wish you a nice day :-)

Auguste

Carla

30 Aug 2018, 10:19 pm

Id like to add to this conversation.. I plan to stick with FW and Softpress , as a long time user there is very little I cannot accomplish with FW7. I learned early on how to build responsively from scratch from all the incredible teachers on this forum, And Jeremy has always replied to me if I needed help with something.

I also work with talented designers who are part of our FW family. It is no small feat to build this type of framework from the ground up, so thank you guys….xo Carla

Richard Cacciato

19 Oct 2018, 8:16 pm

Hi Jeremy, I hope things are proceeding at Softpress Towers. Still a big fan of Freeway and Softpress but you guys are more secretive than Robert Muller. Would love to have an update on Freeway 8…

Richard Cacciato

19 Oct 2018, 8:40 pm

Sorry, it’s Robert Mueller!

Auguste

20 Oct 2018, 4:03 pm

Yes I think it’s a good idea :-) Where are you with the development of Freeway 8? At the moment I am on Webflow but I do not like the principle of the subscription …

Auguste

grantsymon

22 Oct 2018, 8:40 am

A suggestion for FW8.

I think it would be very smart for Softpress to adopt the Affinity (Serif) model for FW8. Serif have run up to year long betas for their new apps (e.g. Affinity Photo). The betas are free for anyone to download and use and will continue to work up until a new one is produced, or the final shipping version is available. IOW, they’re time limited.

This has worked really well for them. People happily tried them out, because they were free. They were able to contribute to the development with feature requests, suggestions and bug reports and when they finally shipped, they continued in much the same manner and their forums are extremely active. The pricing model was also very effective versus Adobe’s software, as they understood the market and its gigantic size and potential. In my view, the same holds true for web software.

So I would love to see FW8 released as free beta software 6 months to a year prior to final shipping, with perhaps an update to Walter’s forum software, to facilitate the feedback aspects of beta/bug reports/feedback/suggestions. I think this would really build momentum prior to release.

(I have in my head a thought for Dave and his generosity, as I haven’t really posted here for a long time)

Grant

www.GrantSymon.com

Bert Green

23 Oct 2018, 1:24 am

I’m upgrading to Mojave today, and will report back after some time after installing it and running Freeway for a bit to share any issues I might have.

Bert Green

23 Oct 2018, 9:20 pm

So far so good, no problems. I’ve only done some minor updating of existing pages but there were no issues.

Paul

24 Oct 2018, 9:04 am

Serif are massive. If you’re on Windows, you may have heard of them. When I told my father in law about Affinity Designer when it was in Beta, he said that Serif are a really good company to deal with, and the produce a lot of Windows based resources and software. Considering he’s on Microsoft everything the rest of the time, this seemed like a good recommendation to consider the Affinity software more seriously.

Glad I did.

Knowing how Softpress ticks internally (ex employee, also dealt with them on a freelance basis for a long time too), I’d say that a year long beta would not be something they would consider. Mostly because Softpress is much smaller, it’s certainly far smaller now than it was, and to grow and survive, it’ll need your money sooner rather than later.

They have done public betas in the past, but those have been very short - a month at the most IIRC. So the possibility of some kind of public “hands on” beta period is possible given past behaviour, but certainly not anything that should be expected.

You will recall their their demo times has always been quite generous - usually a month, and that is more than enough time to get the feel for the software and getting something decent out of it.

On 22 Oct 2018, 8:40 am, grantsymon wrote:

A suggestion for FW8.

I think it would be very smart for Softpress to adopt the Affinity (Serif) model for FW8. Serif have run up to year long betas for their new apps (e.g. Affinity Photo). The betas are free for anyone to download and use and will continue to work up until a new one is produced, or the final shipping version is available. IOW, they’re time limited.

This has worked really well for them. People happily tried them out, because they were free. They were able to contribute to the development with feature requests, suggestions and bug reports and when they finally shipped, they continued in much the same manner and their forums are extremely active. The pricing model was also very effective versus Adobe’s software, as they understood the market and its gigantic size and potential. In my view, the same holds true for web software.

So I would love to see FW8 released as free beta software 6 months to a year prior to final shipping, with perhaps an update to Walter’s forum software, to facilitate the feedback aspects of beta/bug reports/feedback/suggestions. I think this would really build momentum prior to release.

(I have in my head a thought for Dave and his generosity, as I haven’t really posted here for a long time)

All the best,

Paul

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grantsymon

24 Oct 2018, 11:09 am

Yes Serif are a large company and have been around a long time … also producing imaging software for the Windows platform … not that I have any dealings with Windows. :)

Really though, it’s the ‘buzz’ aspect of extended betas, that I feel has worked for them, as opposed to having a long enough ‘trial’ period. The betas aren’t about trialing the software so much as involvement in its progress and contributing in a useful way. The fact that the software is available as a free download is very important in encouraging this … but also, Serif couldn’t charge for beta software, as it’s not production ready. The real crux, is that when you are ready to hit the button on launch, you already have pent up demand, waiting for the day. Not only that, the beta base are likely to continue aiding with the effort and are not disappointed when bugs are still found to be in the shipping version. Fixing those quickly and releasing in a new build is very convincing. I had one bug that they fixed and managed to get into the next day’s build … so I had a fix within 24hrs. Impressive (if fortunate).

Grant

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Elizabeth

24 Oct 2018, 11:24 am

Surprised to still be receiving notes from Softpress forum. Does anyone / many people still use Freeway Pro? I thought it was dead in the water.

grantsymon

24 Oct 2018, 11:49 am

It is more ‘paused in the water’ - but currently going through a refit.

Grant

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Jeremy Hughes

24 Oct 2018, 4:56 pm

We’re rewriting Freeway from scratch so that it will run on future 64-bit versions of macOS. This is a major task (even by comparison with previous transitions, such as the OSX transition) but we’re making good progress! It’s possible that we will have a public beta before we get to release, but we’re not at that stage yet.

Jeremy

Elizabeth

24 Oct 2018, 10:06 pm

Interesting, so do you know it’s going to resurface as a reliable and stable website design tool or would investors likely pull the plug again? When things fell in a heap I went over to Adobe Muse and I absolutely love it, but now with the EOL I’ve been struggling to find something else that suits. I definitely don’t want anything where I have to work online, it must be able to offline, so I’ve been considering Rapidweaver.

Elizabeth

On 24 Oct 2018, at 10:49 pm, grantsymon <[email protected]> wrote:

It is more ‘paused in the water’ - but currently going through a refit.

Richard Cacciato

24 Oct 2018, 10:07 pm

Thanks for the update, Jeremy. I’m looking forward to more news.

Good luck with everything!

waltd

25 Oct 2018, 1:32 am

The only investor in Softpress is Richard Logan, whom I have known for over 20 years. He has been the managing director of Softpress off and on for ~25 years, so I’d guess it’s a passion project for him.

Walter

On Oct 24, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Elizabeth Christie <[email protected]> wrote:

Interesting, so do you know it’s going to resurface as a reliable and stable website design tool or would investors likely pull the plug again? When things fell in a heap I went over to Adobe Muse and I absolutely love it, but now with the EOL I’ve been struggling to find something else that suits. I definitely don’t want anything where I have to work online, it must be able to offline, so I’ve been considering Rapidweaver.

Elizabeth

On 24 Oct 2018, at 10:49 pm, grantsymon <[email protected]> wrote:

It is more ‘paused in the water’ - but currently going through a refit.

Freeway user since 1997

http://www.walterdavisstudio.com

Paul

25 Oct 2018, 2:32 pm

“Passion” is definitely the word if you’ve ever spoken to him about it!

On 25 Oct 2018, 1:32 am, waltd wrote:

The only investor in Softpress is Richard Logan, whom I have known for over 20 years. He has been the managing director of Softpress off and on for ~25 years, so I’d guess it’s a passion project for him.

Walter

On Oct 24, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Elizabeth Christie

All the best,

Paul

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Carla

25 Oct 2018, 2:44 pm

Thanks to Jeremy and everyone at Softpress. We are here to fully support the growth of FW.

Carla

vloerengilde

25 Oct 2018, 7:11 pm

yres! i’m still using freeway.. doing a new mayor site for my company to.. at least, at the moment i do what’s needed. soon as freeway 8 is availeble i will redo everything again, but then the whole job…

www.vloerengilde.nl

Jim Feeney

26 Oct 2018, 1:44 am

On 24 Oct 2018, 11:24 am, Elizabeth wrote:

Surprised to still be receiving notes from Softpress forum. Does anyone / many people still use Freeway Pro? I thought it was dead in the water.

I use Freeway Pro 7 daily and am delighted with it.

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Richard Cacciato

26 Oct 2018, 2:11 am

Yes, thanks Jeremy, Richard and the Softpress team. We’re still your fans. We’re looking forward to the new Freeway.

Paul

26 Oct 2018, 2:28 pm

Just so you know, Freeway 7 is still in my tool box - it’s put to regular use, both for paid and personal projects.

All the best,

Paul

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Actions for Galleries, decorating that text box and many more!

Auguste

30 Oct 2018, 10:38 am

Thank you Jeremy. It is important for the community to hear about the next version of Freeway :-)

Auguste

MacFinn

12 Nov 2018, 2:25 pm

Oh, I really hope that FW8 comes out before macOS goes 64 bit only. I’ve been a satisfied user since 2001 if I remember right. And I’d hate to move to another tool.

Tim

17 Nov 2018, 5:31 pm

Hello, I am from Germany, use freeway for 4 years and am happy to hear that it still goes on !!! I’ll be there as soon as a new version is available

greetings

Tim

Bart

21 Nov 2018, 7:16 pm

Hi Jeremy,

Thank you .I ‘ll wait patiently and continue working with Freeway 7 on my old iMac. Hopefully the computer will last for a while ; ) I am waiting for the release of Freeway 8 to buy a new Mac so that I can avoid any possible compatibility problems.

All the best

Richard van Heukelum

26 Nov 2018, 10:35 pm

I currently am using Freeway 7 again in order to rebuild an earlier FW project in favour of another FW user. The list of pet peeves already is a mile long, so I’m really looking forward to ‘Freeway8’ or whatever the next flagship of Softpress will be baptised.

An CSS editor like the late CSSEdit would be more than welcome …

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Joe Muscara

27 Nov 2018, 12:01 pm

On 26 Nov 2018, 10:35 pm, Richard van Heukelum wrote:

An CSS editor like the late CSSEdit would be more than welcome …

I would hope it would be MUCH better than that. To most people, that looks like code. I would hope that things would only look like that if you dig into Advanced or Extended settings but for most people you’d just have Styles that made sense (and worked better than the old versions where they kept duplicating themselves, etc.).

Ashley

27 Nov 2018, 3:07 pm

I would have to agree with Joe. Anything like that should be well hidden as an advanced feature, otherwise we may as well be using BBEdit to build our sites.

I have moved on and no longer using Freeway, but I drop by occasionally just to see if there is an update. Surely there should be something more concrete by now if genuine progress is being made towards Freeway 8.

Ashley

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Adrian Williams

4 Dec 2018, 5:06 pm

A quick message of support for your wonderful product and wishing you all a smooth development of FW8!