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Zignar

17 Jan 2019, 1:53 pm

reCaptcha v2 integration

Hi

I need help to understand how to integrate Googles reCaptcha v2 in PHP feedback action.

Google gives some very simple directions on what to do locally (client side), as posted on another thread.

It is the integration server-side that I find difficult. I used an elaborate solution with reCaptcha v1 that involved generating the e-mail.php through the action, then deactivating the action, edit the generated e-mail-go.php file and upload it through the Upload Extra Resources action.

I presume the same would work here. The problem is that I don’t understand how to edit the file itself.

Google gives me these instruction:

When your users submit the form where you integrated reCAPTCHA, you’ll get as part of the payload a string with the name “g-recaptcha-response”. In order to check whether Google has verified that user, send a POST request with these parameters:

URL: https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/siteverify

secret (required) ————— secret key here ——————- response (required) The value of ‘g-recaptcha-response’.

Any idea of how to do that? Thank you!

Sverker

http://www.smalandsgardar.nu/e-post.php#

Zignar

17 Jan 2019, 2:23 pm

URL: https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/siteverify

secret (required) ————— secret key here ——————-

response (required) The value of ‘g-recaptcha-response’.

John Robinson

17 Jan 2019, 6:19 pm

Zignar I had a hacking problem and Jeremy suggested this for a Captcha. John

You could add a captcha:

https://www.softpress.com/kb/questions/217/Using+a+%22Captcha%22+in+Freeway

Jeremy

Jeremy Hughes

21 Jan 2019, 3:16 pm

I’m afraid that the solution I suggested is out-of-date (it mentioned third-party Actions that are no longer supported). However, we are currently testing an updated version of the Send Form Action, which has captcha functionality.

If people are interested in testing this, we can probably upload it somewhere.

We’re also interested in any other solutions that people are using.

Jeremy

Frank H

21 Jan 2019, 6:15 pm

In the name of humanity, please tell us some new development is considered, or you have had a (another) brilliant development yourself!

JUST NOTHING RESEMBLING reCaptcha PLEASE!

What an irritating, dysfunctional, time-wasting, mind numbing psychologically conditioning (‘ill do anything you tell me I must, oh gods of the internet’), facade of protection.

Sorry folks, but as you can see I hate it and rally the cry against it whenever I can. I mean really, ask yourself that on any given day how much time is wasted on this sort of engineering? I have stormed off of retail sites where something was finicky enough to steal yet another few minutes of time and patience from me. Their loss.

I feel better now… thanks

:)

Frank

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 21, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

I’m afraid that the solution I suggested is out-of-date (it mentioned third-party Actions that are no longer supported). However, we are currently testing an updated version of the Send Form Action, which has captcha functionality.

If people are interested in testing this, we can probably upload it somewhere.

We’re also interested in any other solutions that people are using.

Jeremy

Ian Halstead

22 Jan 2019, 12:00 pm

Definitely interested in testing the updates Send Form Action Jeremy.

Thanks,

Ian

Jeremy Hughes

22 Jan 2019, 10:45 pm

On 22 Jan 2019, at 12:00, Ian Halstead <[email protected]> wrote:

Definitely interested in testing the updates Send Form Action Jeremy.

We’ll try to sort something out!

Jeremy

Jeremy Hughes

22 Jan 2019, 10:53 pm

On 21 Jan 2019, at 18:14, Frank Harshbarger <[email protected]> wrote:

What an irritating, dysfunctional, time-wasting, mind numbing psychologically conditioning (‘ill do anything you tell me I must, oh gods of the internet’), facade of protection

I hate it too - and I sometimes have to try a few times before I can convince the captcha that I’m not a robot (“is that a road sign or a building?” etc.)

But I also hated having to work through quantities of Russian spam that were being sent to us via a link on our web site.

It’s also annoying that I don’t seem to be able to stop gmail from misidentifying FreewayTalk messages as spam…

Jeremy

Frank H

22 Jan 2019, 11:54 pm

First off have to say I missed most of the first part of this discussion, and can relate to the issues now that I have caught up…

Ironically, I missed the first part of the spam / recaptur because it was in the spam folders in the web accessible gmail account (literally just found them before the below thread) - never made it to my imap download.

If it helps, each of these emails seem to be ‘seen’ by gmail as from the individual sending it, rather than from ‘freeway talk’, and I get them (after un-spaming/junk ID) as to ‘[email protected]’ - I think I recall a discussion on how that is to prevent the collection of addresses by spammers somehow.

Frank Harshbarger

On Jan 22, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

On 21 Jan 2019, at 18:14, Frank Harshbarger <[email protected]> wrote:

What an irritating, dysfunctional, time-wasting, mind numbing psychologically conditioning (‘ill do anything you tell me I must, oh gods of the internet’), facade of protection

I hate it too - and I sometimes have to try a few times before I can convince the captcha that I’m not a robot (“is that a road sign or a building?” etc.)

But I also hated having to work through quantities of Russian spam that were being sent to us via a link on our web site.

It’s also annoying that I don’t seem to be able to stop gmail from misidentifying FreewayTalk messages as spam…

Jeremy

Simon Manning

24 Jan 2019, 6:08 pm

Hi Zignar, All,

An updated version of the Send Form Action along with some instructions can now be found on the knowledge base at https://www.softpress.com/kb/questions/538/

reCAPTCHA requires some work to be done on the server side, this version of the Send Form Action can now generate the code for that but we won’t be able to inject the same into the PHP Feedback Form Action.

You could create a page using Send Form and take a look at the PHP it publishes, that would give you an idea of how to send the POST request to verify the captcha. The code won’t just drop in to the PHP Feedback Form script though, it would need a bit of wrangling.

Unless you need a feature of PHP Feedback Form that Send Form doesn’t have, it may be simpler to switch over to [the new version of] Send Form, so you don’t have to edit the script after publishing.

Simon

Ian Halstead

25 Jan 2019, 9:24 am

Thank you very much indeed Simon — much appreciated. I shall take a good look at this and report back.

Ian

Ian Halstead

25 Jan 2019, 12:03 pm

Straightforward instructions thanks, and it worked first time! Again, much appreciated.

I did get an error on trying to unzip the action bundle ‘(Error 1 - Operation not permitted), but right-clicking and using ‘The Unarchiver’ app I have installed instead of the Mac default Archive Utility did the trick.

I now need to look at the version 3 reCAPTCHA, the instructions for which at the moment seem impenetrable to my sensibilities.

Simon Manning

25 Jan 2019, 1:20 pm

Huh, that’s peculiar, it was zipped by latest Mojave’s Archive Utility. (Compress in Finder)

reCAPTCHA v3 is a bit more involved. My interpretation of its simplest form would be to include it on every page of the site with unique action names, then on pages with forms you would additionally inject the returned token into a hidden form field. (That last part is what happens when you tick the Checkbox version)

On the backend rather than checking for success, you would need to check for success and then interpret the score somewhat arbitrarily. 1.0 Google thinks is very likely a person, 0.0 they think it’s very likely a bot. You have to pick somewhere in the middle and accept anything above that.

If I was adding it to Freeway I would create a reCAPTCHA folder Action that does the first paragraph automagically, then the second paragraph would be handled by the Send Form Action. Probably I would add another field to the Action for the score threshold and use some default like 0.5 if it’s not set.

Unfortunately this would have taken more time than I could put to it at the moment, which was why I opted for the v2 Checkbox.

Simon

Ian Halstead

25 Jan 2019, 1:42 pm

Yes, the v3 is much more involved and hands on, and I’m just glad that you did one for v2. It works absolutely fine!

grantsymon

4 Feb 2019, 8:51 pm

On 21 Jan 2019, 3:16 pm, Jeremy Hughes wrote:

we are currently testing an updated version of the Send Form Action, which has captcha functionality.

If people are interested in testing this, we can probably upload it somewhere.

Well, that’s timely. I’ve just spent the afternoon trying to fight off some spam … and failing so far. This would be very useful.

Grant

grantsymon

5 Feb 2019, 9:45 am

On 22 Jan 2019, 10:53 pm, Jeremy Hughes wrote:

But I also hated having to work through quantities of Russian spam that were being sent to us via a link ?>on our web site.

It’s also annoying that I don’t seem to be able to stop gmail from misidentifying FreewayTalk messages as >spam…

Time to move on from gmail?

I tried fighting spam with gmail, for a year or so, because I’d been told their filters were so great. Turned out they weren’t. Beyond that, fighting spam with ‘post-delivery’ filters seem so pointless to me. You still have to trawl through the messages to check for false positives. What’s the point?

A couple of years ago, I got the chance I had been hoping for, to take control of my spam, when Gandi, my hosting provider, incorporated server side Sieve filters. I immediately bought a second domain name and set about separating all online subscription email addresses from my business addresses by making a unique address per subscription, e.g for here I have [email protected]… This takes about a minute each time and makes it very easy to see what relates to what and to delete/change any address that gets spammed, since it only serves that one unique purpose.

Now, after honing the filters over time and ensuring that there are no false positives slipping through, I have recently had the gigantic pleasure of switching some filters across to ‘Reject’. Oh the bliss! So now I never see these messages, which are rejected at the server and the sender receives a reject message.

I combine this with Apple’s Mail app and its Smart Mailboxes (you can do boolean by including Smart Mailboxes in another’s search criteria). By flagging all legitimate mail at the server end, then viewing my mail via a ‘flagged’ smart folder I only see what I need to see. When I’ve dealt with mail, I unflag. So everything just resides in either Inbox or Sent and I only view flagged. I also use a simple Mail rule to colour messages from the second domain, so that they’re easily distinguished from actual work stuff.

The final piece of the puzzle would be Apple practising what they preach and improving iOS Mail to match Mac Mail … although, thankfully, the flags work. The delight of having control over your mail is definitely worth what would be about 15 quid a year for a couple of domains in the UK.

Grant

Simon Manning

5 Feb 2019, 11:49 am

For anyone having the problem unzipping that Ian Halstead mentioned, it turned out there was a sandboxing related issue with the archive.

The Action itself is fine for anyone that already extracted it with something else but the knowledge base has now been updated with a version that Finder will be able to extract as normal.

Simon

David Owen

5 Feb 2019, 12:18 pm

Have you tried SpamSieve? https://c-command.com/spamsieve/

I’ve been using it for years on my Mac. Pretty much sorts out 99+% of spam correctly so it’s not seen but you’ve still got the option of getting stuff that might slips through. You can you also sort IMAP accounts to so your mobile does not get the spam.

Best one one-off payment for software ever

On 5 Feb 2019, at 09:45, grantsymon <[email protected]> wrote:

I tried fighting spam with gmail, for a year or so, because I’d been told their filters were so great. Turned out they weren’t. Beyond that, fighting spam with ‘post-delivery’ filters seem so pointless to me. You still have to trawl through the messages to check for false positives. What’s the point?

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grantsymon

5 Feb 2019, 12:35 pm

On 5 Feb 2019, 12:18 pm, David Owen wrote:

Have you tried SpamSieve? https://c-command.com/spamsieve/

Yes SpamSieve is just a UI on top of Sieve. They are the same thing.

The crux with using it on the server instead of your computer, is that once you’re confident with your Rules, you can choose to Reject at the server. So the message is never received and as far as spammers are concerned the address doesn’t exist. For some Rules, I reject with the message ‘Address Unknown’. The spammers can see in the headers of the reject email, that it has never been received by an email app, so will probably eventually give up on the address. The effect is the same as if you closed/deleted your email account.

Either way, you never see the spam and don’t have to deal with it. Using a mail app to filter means you still have to deal with the spam somewhere along the line. It also makes it easier to implement the two-domain system for email addresses.

Grant

Joe Muscara

5 Feb 2019, 12:36 pm

For those that hate or are interested in why CAPTCHAs are the way they are and where they might be going, you might find this article of interest.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/1/18205610/google-captcha-ai-robot-human-difficult-artificial-intelligence

David Owen

5 Feb 2019, 12:57 pm

I set up a Smart folder on OS X Mail containing mail in the SpamSieve Spam folder older than 6 months. Select all, delete easy once a year. Hardly ever have to train SpamSieve.

As a business I prefer to have the opportunity to have all mail just in case on that rare occasion there’s something genuine missed like a new order!

On 5 Feb 2019, at 12:35, grantsymon <[email protected]> wrote:

Using a mail app to filter means you still have to deal with the spam somewhere along the line. It also makes it easier to implement the two-domain system for email addresses.

David Owen { Freeway Friendly Web hosting and Domains }

http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk | http://www.PrintlineAdvertising.co.uk

www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk

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grantsymon

5 Feb 2019, 4:33 pm

I’ve just tried the Send Form beta and it works very well.

The only issues I have are:

• Trying to get it to operate in French (I found the code, but have no idea where to put it. Trial and error has failed so far)

• My page contains centred form/text fields. It’s really hard to get the Markup Item to move with the form fields. So far I have it inside an html box set to 100% width of another enclosing element (full width) and am varying the left margin %, but it jumps about a lot compared to the form fields. Any suggestions?

Grant

grantsymon

5 Feb 2019, 4:45 pm

On 5 Feb 2019, 12:57 pm, David Owen wrote:

I set up a Smart folder on OS X Mail containing mail in the SpamSieve Spam folder older than 6 months. Select all, delete easy once a year. Hardly ever have to train SpamSieve.

As a business I prefer to have the opportunity to have all mail just in case on that rare occasion there’s something genuine missed like a new order!

Well, that’s kind of my point.

Grant

grantsymon

5 Feb 2019, 4:55 pm

Bugger … forgot to copy before posting. Sigh… Lost to a ‘smiley’.

Try again:

Well, that’s kind of my point. (smile)

If you don’t check your spam folder, then how will you know if you’ve missed a false positive, unless the person who sent it, contacts you again to tell you. So you have to check it.

By separating addresses, I can reject spam with 100% certainty that it is indeed spam. For example, I am not subscribed to any lists with my work email. So anything that comes in, with list-unsubscribe in the header is automatically rejected.

3 or 4 years ago I reached 80 to 100 spam per day and that’s when I decided I needed to do something radical. Gmail was a failure, with false positives worse than Mac Mail. I’m now down to 1 or 2 per week and I reckon I will get it down further to maybe 1 or 2 per month. That’s worth the fiddling time to me. :)

Grant

Jeremy Hughes

5 Feb 2019, 5:05 pm

• My page contains centred form/text fields. It’s really hard to get the Markup Item to move with the form fields. So far I have it inside an html box set to 100% width of another enclosing element (full width) and am varying the left margin %, but it jumps about a lot compared to the form fields. Any suggestions?

If you want to centre a markup item, you could put it inside an inflow HTML box and set the HTML box to be centred (Align: Center).

Jeremy

grantsymon

5 Feb 2019, 5:57 pm

On 5 Feb 2019, 5:05 pm, Jeremy Hughes wrote: If you want to centre a markup item, you could put it inside an inflow HTML box and set the HTML box to be centred (Align: Center).

Jeremy

Thanks Jeremy!

That’s what I tried, but with percentage width. So instead I set the box to the pixel dimensions of the captcha graphic and it works perfectly.

Grant

grantsymon

5 Feb 2019, 6:03 pm

One thing that would be cool with the Send Form action, would be for the fields, but especially the button, to have mouse-over effects. I haven’t found how to apply an effect like that to a Send Form/Submit button.

Grant

Elizabeth

5 Feb 2019, 9:29 pm

Hello Grant and other members,

I’ve been wondering is Freeway Pro still worth using nowadays? I can’t tell if they made any updates lately from the website? I used to use Freeway and then changed to Muse and now find any other apps are in blocks or glorified tables which I’m not keen on..

Elizabeth

On 5 Feb 2019, at 11:35 pm, grantsymon <[email protected]> wrote:

On 5 Feb 2019, 12:18 pm, David Owen wrote:

Have you tried SpamSieve? https://c-command.com/spamsieve/

Yes SpamSieve is just a UI on top of Sieve. They are the same thing.

The crux with using it on the server instead of your computer, is that once you’re confident with your Rules, you can choose to Reject at the server. So the message is never received and as far as spammers are concerned the address doesn’t exist. For some Rules, I reject with the message ‘Address Unknown’. The spammers can see in the headers of the reject email, that it has never been received by an email app, so will probably eventually give up on the address. The effect is the same as if you closed/deleted your email account.

Either way, you never see the spam and don’t have to deal with it. Using a mail app to filter means you still have to deal with the spam somewhere along the line. It also makes it easier to implement the two-domain system for email addresses.

waltd

5 Feb 2019, 9:39 pm

Freeway is in the midst of a rewrite at the moment, hopefully to conclude before the next version of Mac OS makes it impossible to run. (Current Freeway 7 is 32-bit, and Mac OS after Mojave will require 64-bit applications.) That new application will be fully based on modern frameworks, and shed all vestiges of the past. (Freeway was “ported” from Classic Mac OS to Mac OS X, and not rewritten. There’s a lot of band-aids in there that have built up over the years.)

I am not privy to the inner workings or plans of Softpress at all, but forced to guess, I would imagine that Freeway “X” would probably do less than Freeway 7 does right now, but would provide a solid and stable base for future development. After all, applications like Acorn (Photoshop equivalent) or Affinity Designer (InDesign equivalent) are routinely developed and rapidly improved by teams of one or two people, because they leverage the built-in frameworks in modern Mac OS. A lot of the historical effort that has gone into Freeway has been to work around the changes wrought by OS updates and the deprecation of “old ways” of coding applications for the Mac.

Walter

On Feb 5, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Elizabeth Christie <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Grant and other members,

I’ve been wondering is Freeway Pro still worth using nowadays? I can’t tell if they made any updates lately from the website? I used to use Freeway and then changed to Muse and now find any other apps are in blocks or glorified tables which I’m not keen on..

Elizabeth

On 5 Feb 2019, at 11:35 pm, grantsymon <[email protected]> wrote:

On 5 Feb 2019, 12:18 pm, David Owen wrote:

Have you tried SpamSieve? https://c-command.com/spamsieve/

Yes SpamSieve is just a UI on top of Sieve. They are the same thing.

The crux with using it on the server instead of your computer, is that once you’re confident with your Rules, you can choose to Reject at the server. So the message is never received and as far as spammers are concerned the address doesn’t exist. For some Rules, I reject with the message ‘Address Unknown’. The spammers can see in the headers of the reject email, that it has never been received by an email app, so will probably eventually give up on the address. The effect is the same as if you closed/deleted your email account.

Either way, you never see the spam and don’t have to deal with it. Using a mail app to filter means you still have to deal with the spam somewhere along the line. It also makes it easier to implement the two-domain system for email addresses.

Freeway user since 1997

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Frank H

6 Feb 2019, 4:13 am

Thanks Joe. Frank Harshbarger [email protected]

On Feb 5, 2019, at 4:36 AM, Joe Muscara <[email protected]> wrote:

For those that hate or are interested in why CAPTCHAs are the way they are and where they might be going, you might find this article of interest.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/1/18205610/google-captcha-ai-robot-human-difficult-artificial-intelligence

grantsymon

6 Feb 2019, 11:20 am

On 5 Feb 2019, 9:29 pm, Elizabeth wrote:

Hello Grant and other members,

I’ve been wondering is Freeway Pro still worth using nowadays? I can’t tell if they made any updates lately from the website? I used to use Freeway and then changed to Muse and now find any other apps are in blocks or glorified tables which I’m not keen on..

Freeway does today, exactly what it did before Softpress were forced to stop and rethink. The only thing that is different, is that going forward, from September 2019, it will no longer work with the current MacOS and probably any Mac produced thereafter. It will however, continue to work in exactly the same way with all previous Macs and OS’s. I realise this sounds obvious, but as someone who was constantly stunned to see that my photo software of choice from the 90s, was, to this day, never replaced by anything similar and incredibly, I continued to use it right up until last year. Why? Because it was faster than Photoshop (sometimes much faster) and still produced beautiful files, just as it did all those years ago. Ironically it saved me thousands in purchases and when my Mac eventually died, I replaced it with a second hand one, that costs a couple of hundred instead of 3 or 4 thousand. Hmmmm. The other irony, was that the because the OS never changed, there were no updates and the machine became a totally dedicated unit. Frozen in time. What welcome relief!!

Freeway is a powerful piece of software. That’s not going to change. The web however, is changing and perhaps unlike digital images, which remain the same today as they were back in the 80s when we drum scanned to produce high-res tiffs, FW might get left behind. Only time will tell. I’m hopeful that Softpress (Jeremy) will be able to shift what must be a complex morass of code, across to the modern MacOS, relatively quickly, as Walter says, by taking advantage of all those modern tools, like Swift and all the pre-built parts of Apple apps that are provided by those tools. You no longer have to reinvent the wheel every time you start a new project. I’m guessing that we’ll see a Pages like UI, which will be absolutely fine with me, because it is really well thought out, is easy to use and we’re already used to it. Hopefully we won’t need to do so much hopping about in the UI, as we do at present. Apple are putting tabs everywhere and they work well too (surprised just today to see how well they work in Mail, if you need to consult a few emails whilst writing another). Pages is perhaps also a metaphor for FW, because when it was rewritten to move to modern code, it lost a lot of functionality, much to the displeasure of the Pages using public. Very very slowly it has regained most of that. I hope that FW will not prove so reluctant to bring back any useful lost features, but I’m expecting them be proactive. For whatever reasons, Apple decided that pros and heavy users were not their base and turned their backs on us back then. Also, it has always seemed to be in their DNA to leave one or two irritatingly tiny little features missing from their software. Sigh.

Like everyone else, I looked at FW alternatives, after the Softpress announcement, but found nothing that really appealed. I’m not a pro, so I didn’t feel compelled to ‘move with the times’. Ironically … where I am a pro, I didn’t either … so that probably tells you something about me. I’m fairly pragmatic and I don’t think the sky is falling in. It turns out that 2 years on from the Softpress announcement, Freeway Pro is still working and I can do exactly the same things with it. I’m very hopeful, having looked at alternatives, that there is a market for a modern vs of Freeway. It seems to me that FW is just a good idea. I like the way it works. That said, communities are very important and this one has helped me enormously with my projects. (Special thanks to Delta Dave who helped me a great deal). So it’s important for Softpress, going forward to nurture the community as well as produce the software. Quite a task, but the rewards will hopefully be there.

Grant

Elizabeth

6 Feb 2019, 11:43 am

Hello Grantsymon,

Thank you for your thorough reply, I do appreciate it. From what you say it seems it’s not viable for me. I have a new Mac I bought a year ago and running Mojave. This is a bit of pity really, it would be good if FW moved forward. In the last 24 hours I’ve found another app that seems to be okay, actually quite pleasant to use, the only issue I have with it is that I can’t publish/upload from within the app and I really dislike using third party apps to do this. So I’ll see how it goes, in the meantime I’m sticking with Muse.

Elizabeth

On 6 Feb 2019, at 10:20 pm, grantsymon <[email protected]> wrote:

On 5 Feb 2019, 9:29 pm, Elizabeth wrote:

Hello Grant and other members,

I’ve been wondering is Freeway Pro still worth using nowadays? I can’t tell if they made any updates lately from the website? I used to use Freeway and then changed to Muse and now find any other apps are in blocks or glorified tables which I’m not keen on..

Freeway does today, exactly what it did before Softpress were forced to stop and rethink. The only thing that is different, is that going forward, from September 2019, it will no longer work with the current MacOS and probably any Mac produced thereafter. It will however, continue to work in exactly the same way with all previous Macs and OS’s. I realise this sounds obvious, but as someone who was constantly stunned to see that my photo software of choice from the 90s, was, to this day, never replaced by anything similar and incredibly, I continued to use it right up until last year. Why? Because it was faster than Photoshop (sometimes much faster) and still produced beautiful files, just as it did all those years ago. Ironically it saved me thousands in purchases and when my Mac eventually died, I replaced it with a second hand one, that costs a couple of hundred instead of 3 or 4 thousand. Hmmmm. The other irony, was that the because the OS never changed, there were no updates and the machine became a totally dedicated unit. Frozen in time. What welcome relief!!

Freeway is a powerful piece of software. That’s not going to change. The web however, is changing and perhaps unlike digital images, which remain the same today as they were back in the 80s when we drum scanned to produce high-res tiffs, FW might get left behind. Only time will tell. I’m hopeful that Softpress (Jeremy) will be able to shift what must be a complex morass of code, across to the modern MacOS, relatively quickly, as Walter says, by taking advantage of all those modern tools, like Swift and all the pre-built parts of Apple apps that are provided by those tools. You no longer have to reinvent the wheel every time you start a new project. I’m guessing that we’ll see a Pages like UI, which will be absolutely fine with me, because it is really well thought out, is easy to use and we’re already used to it. Hopefully we won’t need to do so much hopping about in the UI, as we do at present. Apple are putting tabs everywhere and they work well too (surprised just today to see how well they work in Mail, if you need to consult a few emails whilst writing another). Pages is perhaps also a metaphor for FW, because when it was rewritten to move to modern code, it lost a lot of functionality, much to the displeasure of the Pages using public. Very very slowly it has regained most of that. I hope that FW will not prove so reluctant to bring back any useful lost features, but I’m expecting them be proactive. For whatever reasons, Apple decided that pros and heavy users were not their base and turned their backs on us back then. Also, it has always seemed to be in their DNA to leave one or two irritatingly tiny little features missing from their software. Sigh.

Like everyone else, I looked at FW alternatives, after the Softpress announcement, but found nothing that really appealed. I’m not a pro, so I didn’t feel compelled to ‘move with the times’. Ironically … where I am a pro, I didn’t either … so that probably tells you something about me. I’m fairly pragmatic and I don’t think the sky is falling in. It turns out that 2 years on from the Softpress announcement, Freeway Pro is still working and I can do exactly the same things with it. I’m very hopeful, having looked at alternatives, that there is a market for a modern vs of Freeway. It seems to me that FW is just a good idea. I like the way it works. That said, communities are very important and this one has helped me enormously with my projects. (Special thanks to Delta Dave who helped me a great deal). So it’s important for Softpress, going forward to nurture the community as well as produce the software. Quite a task, but the rewards will hopefully be there.

Gordon Low

6 Feb 2019, 11:52 am

The latest version of FreewayPro runs perfectly on MacOS Mojave and this is likely to continue with all incremental updates to it. However it won’t run on any later full release version of MacOS until FreewayPro is rewritten.

Gordon https://www.gordonlow.net

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grantsymon

6 Feb 2019, 12:47 pm

On 6 Feb 2019, 11:43 am, Elizabeth wrote:

Hello Grantsymon,

Thank you for your thorough reply, I do appreciate it. From what you say it seems it’s not viable for me. I have a new Mac I bought a year ago and running Mojave. This is a bit of pity really, it would be good if FW moved forward.

Yes, as Gordon points out, maybe I wasn’t very clear about when the change happens.

In September/October 2019, it is likely that Apple will continue with their annual update schedule and a new version of MacOS will be released. This will be a big change, because any app, that is not 64bit compatible, will not work with this new OS. All of these apps, Freeway included will continue to work with Mojave. I personally have no problems at all with FW running under Mojave.

My feeling is that Softpress will definitely be targeting an autumn release of the new FWx,or earlier if they can, but it’s just a guess. If they do indeed launch in on or before the autumn, then there will be a version of FW for every version of MacOS and all will be well.

Grant