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Cooner

1 May 2019, 8:14 pm

[Pro] Please say it’s so … [Muse, Freeway]

Sorry for starting a fresh thread, but man I’m frustrated today.

I’m an indie artist, I don’t have time to keep on top of changing web code standards but I like to maintain small, non-template-looking web sites for my projects. Years ago I used Adobe GoLive; when they killed that around the time Macs went Intel, I searched and searched and switched to Freeway. When Softpress apparently shut down, I searched and searched and switched to Adobe Muse, breaking down and finally subscribing to Creative Cloud so I could get it. Now I see — and somehow don’t remember ever being notified — that Adobe as end-of-life’d Muse and I need to move again.

I don’t want to search and search again. I randomly came here, and found that apparently Softpress is back from the grave, and is working on an all-new, 64-bit version of Freeway. Can it be true? My Muse sites can still be maintained for another year or so, hopefully. If Freeway 8? comes out this fall, I can easily bide my time again.

But if it doesn’t … I have to start from square one again, see if any other independent designer-focused web apps have cropped up in the meantime, or gulp consider switching to a template-based service.

I guess it comes down to … can I make myself trust a company that’s turned the lights off once before? Adobe has burned me at least twice now; will Softpress do the same? I’m really hoping and pulling for you guys; please, please don’t let me down! Good luck!

Please keep us posted!

Jeremy Hughes

1 May 2019, 8:53 pm

Hi Crooner,

We are working on a 64-bit version of Freeway. Unfortunately, Apple have removed the 32-bit APIs that Freeway uses (instead of providing 64-bit replacements) so we’re rewriting Freeway from scratch. This is a major undertaking - but we’re making good progress, and we hope to have a public beta version ready later this year.

Softpress is a small company. We ran into financial problems in 2016, but Richard Logan brought the company back. I’ve worked on Freeway from the start (over twenty years ago) and it’s something I’m personally committed to.

Freeway is our flagship product. It’s not a sideline (as Adobe Muse was) and we’re not planning to drop support for it.

Jeremy

Cooner

1 May 2019, 9:19 pm

Thanks for the quick reply! I didn’t mean to imply I thought this wasn’t a massive undertaking … I can imagine it is (I’ve got plenty of developer friends), and all the more reason I hope for the best you’ll be able to pull it off. It’s good to hear you’ve got someone guiding the company again.

Again, best wishes! I certainly love supporting smaller studios; if I can continue to find replacements for the other apps I use (Photoshop and Illustrator options look promising; InDesign I’m not so sure yet), I’d be happy to discontinue my CC subscription someday. XD

Looking forward to seeing betas and new releases!

-cooner

Joe Muscara

2 May 2019, 11:11 am

On 1 May 2019, 9:19 pm, Cooner wrote:

InDesign I’m not so sure yet

Isn’t it cool that Softpress is back at it? I can’t wait until the new version of FW is out.

As far as InDesign—what do you use it for? I took over doing a newsletter and I found a great product called Swift Publisher. I’ve been very happy with it. It’s not 100% perfect, but it’s a small product, very Mac-like, and their support has been responsive. I mean, when I took over the newsletter, I took one look at InDesign and immediately thought that it didn’t look like a Mac app and it was WAY more complex than I needed for the newsletter. There were a couple of other apps that I looked at but for whatever reason I ended up with Swift Publisher.

grantsymon

6 May 2019, 1:30 pm

On 1 May 2019, 9:19 pm, Cooner wrote:

Photoshop and Illustrator options look promising; InDesign I’m not so sure yet

Affinity Publisher is currently in beta. You can download and try it.

Grant

cseeman

6 May 2019, 8:09 pm

Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer will be used to create my graphics for Freeway 8. Affinity Publisher for print stuff. A good way to be free of Adobe.

Cooner

6 May 2019, 8:34 pm

On 6 May 2019, 1:30 pm, grantsymon wrote:

Affinity Publisher is currently in beta. You can download and try it.

Yup, already downloaded it! :) I forget if that was before or after I posted here.

I was speaking more generally, tho … Aside from the Affinity apps there seem to be numerous options for photo and vector editing; third-party desktop publishing apps of professional quality are still few and far between. Really hoping Publisher lives up to expectations and can take that space! fingers crossed

Cooner

6 May 2019, 8:36 pm

On 6 May 2019, 8:09 pm, cseeman wrote:

Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer will be used to create my graphics for Freeway 8. Affinity Publisher for print stuff. A good way to be free of Adobe.

That’s pretty much exactly what I’m hoping my new workflow will be … Affinity Pro, Designer and Publisher replacing Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign, and Freeway 8 replacing Muse. That’s 99% of my Adobe workflow right there.

Just anxious right now what with Publisher being in beta, Freeway not even in beta release yet, and still kicking the tires on Photo and Designer to make sure they’ll fit my needs. XD Here’s hoping!

grantsymon

6 May 2019, 8:42 pm

If you do a lot of masking in Photo, then try the AFP 1.7 beta. It has fixed many of the problems with earlier versions. It’s also faster, though is probably slowed by debugging code. Stability is reasonable … though it’s good to have the Cmd-S habit frequently clicking away.

Grant

grantsymon

6 May 2019, 8:54 pm

On 6 May 2019, 8:34 pm, Cooner wrote: third-party desktop publishing apps of professional quality are still few and far between.

I know this sounds really silly … but if you’re needs are not high-end, then Pages has slowly, very slowly crept back up to being a pretty good app with both its page-layout and WP modes. It now has master pages and personally, I use it for printing images up to poster size. It’s so easy … if you know how to workaround some of Apple’s hidden stuff. For example, it used to be impossible to get images into it, without them being converted to sRGB png. Then without any info whatsoever from Apple, it was able to use tiffs in any colour space. Huh?? I stumbled across this and it has since been my printing tool of choice. Very easy to be very precise with position and of course, you can just save your documents for future use, which is not something you can do in normal photo apps.. It’s so typical of Apple.

Grant

Baron Munchausen

7 May 2019, 8:45 pm

I have a feeling that SoftPress will be just fine with new Freeway 8 Pro.

Even the existing Freeway 7 Pro is great.

It is still the best WYSIWG website editor.

BM

Richard van Heukelum

11 May 2019, 10:20 am

On 7 May 2019, 8:45 pm, Baron Munchausen wrote: It is still the best WYSIWG website editor.

It’s definitely not, but it comes close.

Ontwerpzaam.nl | Papendrecht, The Netherlands

Hardware: 27” iMac i5 3.1GHz / 32GB RAM / 4TB SSHD / 1GB VRAM /

Software : macOS 10.13.6 High Sierra / Freeway7 (user since Freeway1)

Has moved on with CoffeeCup Software : Site Designer / Form Designer / Content Slider / Email Designer / Sonar / Website Insight and occasionally Blocs Web Design App. Use CraftCMS.

Replaced Adobe with Affinity Publisher, Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo.

Jim Feeney

12 May 2019, 12:34 am

On 11 May 2019, 10:20 am, Richard van Heukelum wrote:

On 7 May 2019, 8:45 pm, Baron Munchausen wrote: It is still the best WYSIWG website editor.

It’s definitely not, but it comes close.

I leave the finer points of software merits to you experts. Many of us (I’m one such) are pretty low-tech in such things as coding, web design, etc. For me, since 2004 Freeway has provided a very user-friendly way to build a website that now reaches about 40K visitors monthly. Freeway’s ease-of-use, along with much advice on this forum from you internet friends, is allowing many of us nonprofessionals to be “webmasters” without having our own high-tech expertise.

Oregon, USA | 2017 iMac 21.5” | 3.6 GHz Intel Core i7 | 16 GB RAM | OS 10.14 | User since Fwy 3.5 | https://www.jimfeeney.org

Linden Thomson

12 May 2019, 7:02 am

What is your recommendation for a better one?

On 11/5/19 8:20 pm, Richard van Heukelum wrote:

On 7 May 2019, 8:45 pm, Baron Munchausen wrote: It is still the best WYSIWG website editor. It’s definitely not, but it comes close.

Chod Lang

3 Jun 2019, 12:34 am

Belight Software has recently come out with a vector design tool. https://amadine.com/ $19.99. Definitely worth a try. I’ve used quite a few of the products and they are first rate. Something to learn while we wait for Freeway to come back. I have been using RocketCake for websites for a while and it’s working pretty well, but I’ll be happy to return to Freeway once it’s ready.

Bert Green

5 Jun 2019, 6:04 pm

Hey all, now that Catalina has been announced, are we any closer to getting a look at a Freeway 8 beta?

Jim Feeney

6 Jun 2019, 4:29 am

To make sure I understand the right thing to do before Fwy 8 arrives — we must stay with OS 10.14 Mojave (or earlier) until Fwy 8 is available, is that right?

Oregon, USA | 2017 iMac 21.5” | 3.6 GHz Intel Core i7 | 16 GB RAM | OS 10.14 | User since Fwy 3.5 | https://www.jimfeeney.org

Jeremy Hughes

6 Jun 2019, 11:11 am

We are planning to release a public beta later this year.

Joe Muscara

6 Jun 2019, 11:20 am

On 6 Jun 2019, 4:29 am, Jim Feeney wrote:

To make sure I understand the right thing to do before Fwy 8 arrives — we must stay with OS 10.14 Mojave (or earlier) until Fwy 8 is available, is that right?

Yes. Or at least have a separate disk or partition with Mojave installed so you can boot into that to use Freeway 7 and earlier. If you want to run Freeway 8 and 7 at the same time to compare how it handles things, that will need to be Mojave or earlier as well.

Jeremy Hughes

6 Jun 2019, 11:23 am

The current version of Freeway will not run in macOS 10.15.

We are rewriting Freeway as a 64-bit application - but because Apple have abandoned the 32-bit (Carbon) APIs that Freeway uses (instead of providing 64-bit replacements) we are rewriting it from scratch. This is a major task, even compared with previous transitions - such as the transition to from OS 9 to OS X, or the transition from PowerPC to Intel.

We are planning to release a public beta later this year, but it will take longer than that before the new version replicates all of Freeway’s current functionality and is able to read existing Freeway files.

Our advice is to keep an old system running macOS 10.14 (or earlier) for a transitional period, until you no longer need to run the current version of Freeway. This could be a virtual system (using Parallels or VMWare etc.) or it could be a separate disk or partition.

Our goal is to provide a complete replacement for the current version of Freeway - but it will take us a while to get there.

Jeremy

Jeremy Hughes

6 Jun 2019, 11:25 am

Elaborating on what Joe said: the next version of Freeway will run in Mojave (and probably also in High Sierra) as well as in Catalina.

Jeremy

Frank H

6 Jun 2019, 10:28 pm

Hearing ‘High Sierra’ possibility is a big relief. I thought you were starting with Mojave, and that would leave me in the dust. I am not able to plan any major hardware update in the near/not so near future.

Frank Harshbarger [email protected]

On Jun 6, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

Elaborating on what Joe said: the next version of Freeway will run in Mojave (and probably also in High Sierra) as well as in Catalina.

Jeremy

DB Brown

18 Jun 2019, 11:44 pm

I use Freeway for all my websites and have since version 4. You don’t need to add new bells & whistles to it, just make it 64-bit and I’ll be happy.

max

19 Jun 2019, 8:38 am

Hi, DB just converting freeway which is being written in swift (latest apple language) from Carbon (there is no 64-bit version) is a massive undertaking… basically you have to rewrite all the code again and that is an enormous effort!! To say its time consuming is a HUGE understatement. I will be shocked and surprised if the first version of the new Freeway 8 or Phenix 1 or whatever it will be called has anywhere near the number of controls as the original in its initial release. So even if it’s close to the original, then I would be over the moon. But the good news to all those wondering if this is even possible. Well, Softpress has had to rewrite a lot of the application before, and this was when Apple went from the old classic system & power pc based programs to the newer OSX operating systems. So if anyone can do it… I am confident they can

all the best Max

it’s better to be lucky than clever.. :o)

Ian Webb

19 Jun 2019, 3:52 pm

Does FW Pro 7 run OK in Mojave?

I’m too scared to upgrade from High Sierra until I’m confident FW works.

Cheers, Ian.

Bert Green

19 Jun 2019, 4:55 pm

Yes, it runs perfectly in Mojave. But that will be the last version of the OS that will run Freeway.

Jim Feeney

20 Jun 2019, 4:35 am

Like Bert, I’ve had zero problems with FW Pro 7 in Mojave.

Oregon, USA | 2017 iMac 21.5” | 3.6 GHz Intel Core i7 | 16 GB RAM | OS 10.14 | User since Fwy 3.5 | https://www.jimfeeney.org

Karen E

25 Jun 2019, 5:44 pm

Interesting to hear FWP7 running in Mojave - I just got a 2019 iMac and it’s failing to run.

I would gladly boot to a Chronosync bootable backup running Sierra - but it’s unsupported on the new Mac. I’ve been considering getting a Mac Mini to cover the legacy programs I’ve lost (in particular FW) but you’re saying FW should work?

I might need to find the DMG installer and reinstall then?

Freeway Pro 7.1, Exhibeo 2 Intaglio 3.4.4

Joe Muscara

26 Jun 2019, 10:52 am

What does it do when it fails? Are you trying to open an existing project or are you just launching the application? If it’s the former, there might be a problem with the project itself and you should try launching FW7 itself. I know that doesn’t help with the existing project but it would let us know where the problem is.

Karen E

26 Jun 2019, 11:17 am

Every time I tried to launch the program it crashed on the new box. And this was after having done a migration! Opening directly from the Applications folder - not a project file. I tried several times.

Of course now I’m shaking my head…. I just tried to launch it again - to make a copy of the crash report - and it worked! From there I was able to run my project files no problem. Alrighty then! ha

Freeway Pro 7.1, Exhibeo 2 Intaglio 3.4.4

Joe Muscara

27 Jun 2019, 10:11 am

On 26 Jun 2019, 11:17 am, Karen E wrote:

Every time I tried to launch the program it crashed on the new box. And this was after having done a migration! Opening directly from the Applications folder - not a project file. I tried several times.

Of course now I’m shaking my head…. I just tried to launch it again - to make a copy of the crash report - and it worked! From there I was able to run my project files no problem. Alrighty then! ha

Oh well. It’s always too bad when that happens in a way because whatever caused it can’t be isolated and eliminated. OTOH, you’re back up and running and hopefully it will stay that way. Maybe it was a restart or something similar that cleared out whatever was causing the issue.

Alvaro de Regil

28 Jun 2019, 4:41 pm

Hello Jeremy,

Can you tell us if your ultimate goal, as stated below, will happen during the first half of 2020 or will it take longer?

I need to replace my 2015 iMac. I can wait another year, but if it is going to take longer I may buy it sooner.

Thank you,


We are planning to release a public beta later this year, but it will take longer than that before the new version replicates all of Freeway’s current functionality and is able to read existing Freeway files.

Our goal is to provide a complete replacement for the current version of Freeway - but it will take us a while to get there.

Jeremy

waltd

28 Jun 2019, 8:19 pm

I just bought a 2013-era Mac Pro “trash can” for < $2,000 on eBay. That will run El Capitan, Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave, and the upcoming Catalina. It came fully maxed out, with a 1TB SSD, 64 GB of RAM, and replaced a 2008 Mac Pro “cheese grater” that I had been babying forever. That Mac was stuck on El Cap, and so I had already lost the benefit of security updates whenever Mojave came out. (Apple supports the last two major versions only.) Since I wasn’t going to pop for a 2019 Mac Pro “cheese chunker”, I figured this was the next best thing, since I didn’t want to move to an all-in-one form factor. I figure this extends my runway for a fair few years (it’s a fully 64-bit machine) since it shows signs of being babied all its life, and I keep my office cold like a data center anyway. Walter> On Jun 28, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Alvaro de Regil <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Jeremy,

Can you tell us if your ultimate goal, as stated below, will happen during the first half of 2020 or will it take longer?

I need to replace my 2015 iMac. I can wait another year, but if it is going to take longer I may buy it sooner.

Thank you,


We are planning to release a public beta later this year, but it will take longer than that before the new version replicates all of Freeway’s current functionality and is able to read existing Freeway files.

Our goal is to provide a complete replacement for the current version of Freeway - but it will take us a while to get there.

Jeremy

Freeway user since 1997

http://www.walterdavisstudio.com

Jeremy Hughes

1 Jul 2019, 10:08 am

Hi Alvaro,

There could be a transition period when you might want to have a pre-Catalina version of macOS to run Freeway 7 (or other 32-bit software). You could either keep your existing iMac to do that, or you could buy a new machine before Catalina becomes the default macOS for new machines, and keep Mojave on a separate partition or disk.

I think that it may also be possible to run Mojave in VM on a Catalina machine, but you will need to have a Mojave installer if you do that, and Apple might make it difficult for people to download Mojave when Catalina is released.

Jeremy

Malcolm

2 Jul 2019, 8:20 am

A possible stupid question (from a non-code writer) but will any of my Actions be compromised, or will the JavaScript work just as well with the version of FW?

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Malcolm

2 Jul 2019, 8:21 am

On 2 Jul 2019, 8:20 am, Malcolm wrote:

A possible stupid question (from a non-code writer) but will any of my Actions be compromised, or will the JavaScript work just as well with the new version of FW?