Intaglio

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Stefan Sommer

24 Feb 2020, 9:22 am

future of intaglio

Dear „Small software company“, i love and use your software INTAGLIO for many years. It works good with Catalina. Your latest update 3.9.5 is from 2017. Should I be worried? I am shure most users will accept a paid upddate.

Best regards Stefan Sommer

Greg

12 Mar 2020, 6:34 pm

Ditto. One guesses that Intaglio sales don’t justify improvements.

Ingemar Ragnemalm

12 Mar 2020, 7:04 pm

Point 1: I won’t call a software dead when it still works. Why should it be updated when it works and there aren’t any problems?

Point 2: The while issue of software slowly dying - which I hope is not the case here - is a distubing one. I have seen several good products going away with no messages at all from the producer.

The most disgraceful I have seen was VectorDesigner, where the producer silently wiped the web from all that could be wiped to pretend that it never existed, instead of uploading the last update with a clear message of it being discontinued.

A later example is Karelia, which seems to have gone totally silent. In that case, the website is still there but no news from the company in a long time.

This kind of behavior is very bad for the small-scale software business. If we can’t trust the small developers, then we must select between the big producers and open source software.

If Intaglio would - and again I don’t say it does - go away, then my next bets are Libre Office and Inkscape. Neither are as nice, intuitive and polished as Intaglio, but they are my backup plan. (I have a few others but they can’t compare to Intaglio.)

But as long as it works, I will keep using Intaglio!

Greg

13 Mar 2020, 1:53 am

Continued development would be nice. See below; not going to happen.

I’ve had other developers disappear. One sold the software for years after he quit supporting it. Like Intaglio it was well enough written that it continued to work for years.

But I wouldn’t dump on all independent developers because some fail or retire or abandon.

The biggees regularly give on on software. One that I didn’t like was Apple abandoning Aperture. And they did it just like Intaglio; years of no upgrade and finally announced that it was over. Open source efforts fade too.

I looked at QCAD but for the amount I use Intaglio I’ll stick with Intaglio. QCAD would be a learning curve.

Looks like Intaglio is Purgatory’s only macOS software. And their website has two iOS programs shown that are not longer available. Nick Nallick, [email protected] • 970-259-7129 Software Engineer, Asynchrony Labs is listed as the seller for the macOS program and in 2016 he apparently was working for them.

But I’ve certainly gotten my money’s worth; no complaints there. I just don’t want to learn another program. And there isn’t much in this area. I want the rulers and sizing (being able to type the numbers) features among others; most in this space are graphic design and lack these CAD features. The CAD programs are too powerful.

Michael Everson

13 Mar 2020, 2:02 am

Anyone tried to ask the rightsholders to give the code away on github? Just a thought.

Michael Everson http://evertype.com

On 13 Mar 2020, at 01:53, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

Continued development would be nice. See below; not going to happen.

I’ve had other developers disappear. One sold the software for years after he quit supporting it. Like Intaglio it was well enough written that it continued to work for years.

But I wouldn’t dump on all independent developers because some fail or retire or abandon.

The biggees regularly give on on software. One that I didn’t like was Apple abandoning Aperture. And they did it just like Intaglio; years of no upgrade and finally announced that it was over. Open source efforts fade too.

I looked at QCAD but for the amount I use Intaglio I’ll stick with Intaglio. QCAD would be a learning curve.

Looks like Intaglio is Purgatory’s only macOS software. And their website has two iOS programs shown that are not longer available. Nick Nallick, [email protected] • 970-259-7129 Software Engineer, Asynchrony Labs is listed as the seller for the macOS program and in 2016 he apparently was working for them.

But I’ve certainly gotten my money’s worth; no complaints there. I just don’t want to learn another program. And there isn’t much in this area. I want the rulers and sizing (being able to type the numbers) features among others; most in this space are graphic design and lack these CAD features. The CAD programs are too powerful.

Ingemar Ragnemalm

13 Mar 2020, 6:41 am

Or doing it the Blender way: Collect donations to buy it free as open source. Worked wonderfully with Blender.

/Ingemar

On 13 Mar 2020, 2:02 am, Michael Everson wrote:

Anyone tried to ask the rightsholders to give the code away on github? Just a thought.

James R. Ingram

13 Mar 2020, 7:20 am

Regarding SALES: I’ve brought this up before, but I’m going to ask it again.

=== 1. YOUTUBE: ===

I can’t find ANY mention of Intaglio on Youtube. How many Mac users might be interested in purchasing Intaglio — IF they knew it existed.

=== PROPOSAL 1: ===

Someone make some kind of video introducing Intaglio.

  • I was thinking of trying to make a “half-assed” video about it myself.
  • I just haven’t been able to “block out the time” to make it yet.

An Example of Not Knowing: I was talking to a person I met at a model railroad meeting, and he told me he was using TurboCad or something like that, and how horrible it was. People like this might be potential purchasers for Intaglio.

=== 2. NAME TWEAK: ===

If you search for “Intaglio” on either Google or Youtube, you find all this stuff about making Italian artwork — which is apparently where the name “Intaglio” came from — which has NOTHING to do with the Mac drawing program.

=== PROPOSAL 2: ===

If the owners would slightly “tweak” the name to something like “MacTaglio” or MacIntaglio” or “iIntaglio” or something UNIQUE, it would be a lot EASIER to SEARCH for it.

~~~~~~~~~~~

QUESTION: Does anyone have any OPINIONS, on either of these “Proposals” ??

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Apache Junction AZ, Williamsport PA

On Mar 12, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

Ditto. One guesses that Intaglio SALES don’t justify improvements.

http://JamesIngram.net

Williamsport PA/Apache Junction AZ

Ingemar Ragnemalm

13 Mar 2020, 7:26 am

I know a person, Mac user, who is currently in an education on “technology information” or whatever it would be called in english. Maybe we can make a professional video, granted that what they teach is useful?

/Ingemar

On 13 Mar 2020, 7:20 am, James R. Ingram wrote:

=== 1. YOUTUBE: ===

I can’t find ANY mention of Intaglio on Youtube. How many Mac users might be interested in purchasing Intaglio — IF they knew it existed.

=== PROPOSAL 1: ===

Someone make some kind of video introducing Intaglio.

  • I was thinking of trying to make a “half-assed” video about it myself.
  • I just haven’t been able to “block out the time” to make it yet.

Martha Lyle

13 Mar 2020, 11:53 am

YES to both proposals!  I’d purchase a new MacIntag!  I use it to make my yard landscaping layouts, floor plans for furniture placement, and fabric length requirements for my sewing projects.

On 3/13/20 2:20 AM, Ingram-James5-purchasing wrote:

Regarding SALES: I’ve brought this up before, but I’m going to ask it again.

=== 1. YOUTUBE: ===

I can’t find ANY mention of Intaglio on Youtube. How many Mac users might be interested in purchasing Intaglio — IF they knew it existed.

=== PROPOSAL 1: ===

Someone make some kind of video introducing Intaglio.

  • I was thinking of trying to make a “half-assed” video about it myself.
  • I just haven’t been able to “block out the time” to make it yet.

An Example of Not Knowing: I was talking to a person I met at a model railroad meeting, and he told me he was using TurboCad or something like that, and how horrible it was. People like this might be potential purchasers for Intaglio.

=== 2. NAME TWEAK: ===

If you search for “Intaglio” on either Google or Youtube, you find all this stuff about making Italian artwork — which is apparently where the name “Intaglio” came from — which has NOTHING to do with the Mac drawing program.

=== PROPOSAL 2: ===

If the owners would slightly “tweak” the name to something like “MacTaglio” or MacIntaglio” or “iIntaglio” or something UNIQUE, it would be a lot EASIER to SEARCH for it.

~~~~~~~~~~~

QUESTION: Does anyone have any OPINIONS, on either of these “Proposals” ??

|———————————————————————————————————————————————————— | Thanks. - James Ingram, land 570-322-7597, JamesIngram.net http://jamesingram.net/ | facebook.com/james.robert.ingram http://facebook.com/james.robert.ingram

Apache Junction AZ, Williamsport PA

On Mar 12, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

Ditto. One guesses that Intaglio SALES don’t justify improvements.

Ingemar Ragnemalm

13 Mar 2020, 12:18 pm

On 13 Mar 2020, 7:20 am, James R. Ingram wrote:

=== PROPOSAL 2: ===

If the owners would slightly “tweak” the name to something like “MacTaglio” or MacIntaglio” or “iIntaglio” or something UNIQUE, it would be a lot EASIER to SEARCH for it.

I must say that “I use MacIntaglio on a Macintosh” sounds either so right or so confusing. :)

Greg

13 Mar 2020, 6:12 pm

Just wrote a very long post which disappeared as I was researching my response. Summary: there is competition but it’s hard to discern which one to pick. Will stick with Intaglio for now.

A YouTube video that brings business to Nick might help him to continue to support the app.

Eric Ridvan Üner

15 Mar 2020, 12:29 am

I have had good luck using Affinity Designer ($$) with files that caused errors with Intaglio. Affinity Designer is a great tool from a company that makes great tools, but despite Affinity’s more “modern” and trendy interface, I find Intaglio a little easier to use, and I still prefer it. But Intaglio does seem to get less stable with every macOS update.

Intaglio saved me time and money editing .ai and .eps files without needing to donate a kidney to Adobe and unleash their invasive background and startup daemons into my system. Whatever the future is, I am so glad I discovered it, and I appreciate the effort and the value of it over the years.

I hope it moves forward, and I’ll always support it. I’ll use it fails to launch.

Frank

15 Mar 2020, 8:18 am

I once had high hopes for AD because they promised support for Freehand documents. But after a while it turned out that this only applies to the PDF stream. What? Did they ever wonder what “PDF” stands for? And with the last update (1.8/1.8.1) they broke all boolean-related tools. No way to downgrade if you are an App/le Store customer. I´m almost done with this company. ;-/ For quick editing images (annotations, cropping etc) nothing beats Intaglio for me. For more specialised SVG applications and output I rely on Inkscape since 2005. Just my 2¢ of course.

Cheers

Eric Ridvan Üner

15 Mar 2020, 12:30 pm

That’s great information, Frank - thank you for that.

Ingemar Ragnemalm

15 Mar 2020, 1:30 pm

On 15 Mar 2020, 8:18 am, Frank wrote:

No way to downgrade if you are an App/le Store customer.

I think you just nailed one of the things I dislike with AppStore. I feel that I can’t trust AppStore applications. I have a few that I bought that way but I find myself avoiding them.

budspwr

15 Mar 2020, 2:43 pm

I switched to Eazydraw due to the uncertainty of Intaglio. Also, Eazydraw allows saving in different formats for lawyers, their use, and retransmission.

Ingemar Ragnemalm

15 Mar 2020, 2:52 pm

On 15 Mar 2020, 2:43 pm, budspwr wrote:

I switched to Eazydraw due to the uncertainty of Intaglio. Also, Eazydraw allows saving in different formats for lawyers, their use, and retransmission.

I have EazyDraw, but prefer Intaglio for a number of reasons.

  • EazyDraw does not have as good user interface. I find it harder to find features.
  • EazyDraw comes in a confusing number of different versions.
  • EazyDraw is bought on AppStore only (I think).

The positive side is that it has better SVG import than Intaglio had last I tried.

Jean Haydel

18 Mar 2020, 12:50 am

My confusion is the same - non-functioning Intaglio. . I did find an Intaglio app in the App Store. At a cost of ~ $50, I downloaded it. Now Intaglio is working fine. I had expressed to Intaglio years ago that as a business man myself, I thought that my original payment YEARS ago was not sufficient to expect a continuing support of the application. I do hope that all is well for the creators and that they are reaping the monetary rewards.

jayartibee

10 Dec 2020, 9:37 am

So - if Intaglio has gone - and no updates beyond High Sierra - what is the alternative?

Graphic is good except it’s tricky with children setting-up a several-page document (as in ‘Drawing Size’ in Intag)

Dirk Vermeulen

10 Dec 2020, 12:06 pm

payed a long time ago the fee. Use it beside a lot of other drawing programs. But the main reason for buying was: it opens all my old design’s from the sys6 to sys9 time of old programs (macdraw, clarisdraw, etc).

And untill now this is one of the best editors for svg’s.

For that and the opening old-files i will pay an upgrade price if necessary. So someone has to accept the challenge.

DirkV

Schremmer

10 Dec 2020, 5:09 pm

ME TOO.

If only because I dread having to switch. (I keep an old mini on a KVM just in case!)

Best,

On Dec 10, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Dirk Vermeulen <[email protected]> wrote:

payed a long time ago the fee. Use it beside a lot of other drawing programs. But the main reason for buying was: it opens all my old design’s from the sys6 to sys9 time of old programs (macdraw, clarisdraw, etc).

And untill now this is one of the best editors for svg’s.

For that and the opening old-files i will pay an upgrade price if necessary. So someone has to accept the challenge.

budspwr

7 Feb 2021, 4:04 pm

I’ve used Intaglio for years with reasonably fair luck. I suspect the reason for discontinuance of support was not just the lack of purchasers but continuance of upgrading the OS system and then going from 32 bit to 64. Very tough in the head and on the pocket book.

I’ve tried a considerable number of apps and most did not do well including EazyDraw. I’m talking about importing, exporting, ungrouping documents from other apps. I had to do something to pick up the slack of loosing Intaglio in new operating systems.

I did find one that did all that but it took quite a bit of manipulation. SimpleCAD2 fit the bill ($20). But, to work with it, I dragged the thumbprint of the Intaglio drawing as shown in the Finder column into SimpleCAD2 and it worked. It Ungouped Intaglio drawings easily enabling me to functionally manipulate the drawing.

Of course, as mentioned in other comments, it is a matter of the likelyness of staying in business.

Hope this does well with you all.

Jack Jennings

7 Feb 2021, 8:08 pm

Hi budspwr,

Intaglio is already a 62-bit application, so no major rewrite would be necessary to make sure it would be completely compatible with Big Sur. (original message had graphs showing Intaglio listing from “System Information” but mail list would not accept it even when reduced in size!)

Thanks for heads-up on SimpleCAD2. Looking forward to comments of those who try/use it. A 82 years old and having used intaglio since MacDraw and then ClarisDraw disappeared I really don’t want to learn a new application. EasyDraw didn’t doitfor me!

Jack Jennings

On Feb 7, 2021, at 11:04 AM, budspwr <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

I’ve used Intaglio for years with reasonably fair luck. I suspect the reason for discontinuance of support was not just the lack of purchasers but continuance of upgrading the OS system and then going from 32 bit to 64. Very tough in the head and on the pocket book.

I’ve tried a considerable number of apps and most did not do well including EazyDraw. I’m talking about importing, exporting, ungrouping documents from other apps. I had to do something to pick up the slack of loosing Intaglio in new operating systems.

I did find one that did all that but it took quite a bit of manipulation. SimpleCAD2 fit the bill ($20). But, to work with it, I dragged the thumbprint of the Intaglio drawing as shown in the Finder column into SimpleCAD2 and it worked. It Ungouped Intaglio drawings easily enabling me to functionally manipulate the drawing.

Of course, as mentioned in other comments, it is a matter of the likelyness of staying in business.

Hope this does well with you all.

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/person/options https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/person/options

budspwr

7 Feb 2021, 10:01 pm

87 years old and remember Lisa software. I was amazed going from 1985 to today.

On Feb 7, 2021, at 3:08 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi budspwr,

Intaglio is already a 62-bit application, so no major rewrite would be necessary to make sure it would be completely compatible with Big Sur. (original message had graphs showing Intaglio listing from “System Information” but mail list would not accept it even when reduced in size!)

Thanks for heads-up on SimpleCAD2. Looking forward to comments of those who try/use it. A 82 years old and having used intaglio since MacDraw and then ClarisDraw disappeared I really don’t want to learn a new application. EasyDraw didn’t do it for me!

Jack Jennings

On Feb 7, 2021, at 11:04 AM, budspwr <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

I’ve used Intaglio for years with reasonably fair luck. I suspect the reason for discontinuance of support was not just the lack of purchasers but continuance of upgrading the OS system and then going from 32 bit to 64. Very tough in the head and on the pocket book.

I’ve tried a considerable number of apps and most did not do well including EazyDraw. I’m talking about importing, exporting, ungrouping documents from other apps. I had to do something to pick up the slack of loosing Intaglio in new operating systems.

I did find one that did all that but it took quite a bit of manipulation. SimpleCAD2 fit the bill ($20). But, to work with it, I dragged the thumbprint of the Intaglio drawing as shown in the Finder column into SimpleCAD2 and it worked. It Ungouped Intaglio drawings easily enabling me to functionally manipulate the drawing.

Of course, as mentioned in other comments, it is a matter of the likelyness of staying in business.

Hope this does well with you all.

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/person/options https://freewaytalk.softpress.com/person/options

jayartibee

8 Feb 2021, 8:59 am

I remember MacDraw well and ClarisWorks.

have you tried Graphic? (previously iDraw)

John Whisman

8 Feb 2021, 1:24 pm

I have tried Graphic. The problem with most of these, for my needs, is that they’re “drawing” apps and not “drafting” apps. There is some crossover of course, but for those of us that need drafting, the drawing apps just don’t have the right feature set.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:00 AM, jayartibee <[email protected]> wrote:

I remember MacDraw well and ClarisWorks.

have you tried Graphic? (previously iDraw)

Ian H

8 Feb 2021, 1:36 pm

How about Affinity Designer. That is what I am using (along with Publisher and Photo).

IanH

On 8 Feb 2021, at 13:23, John Whisman <[email protected]> wrote:

I have tried Graphic. The problem with most of these, for my needs, is that they’re “drawing” apps and not “drafting” apps. There is some crossover of course, but for those of us that need drafting, the drawing apps just don’t have the right feature set.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:00 AM, jayartibee <[email protected]> wrote:

I remember MacDraw well and ClarisWorks.

have you tried Graphic? (previously iDraw)

budspwr

8 Feb 2021, 2:16 pm

I noticed two things: no update in 2 years and far to many bugs, freezes, & no pixel functions

Bud Willner

On Feb 8, 2021, at 3:59 AM, jayartibee <[email protected]> wrote:

I remember MacDraw well and ClarisWorks.

have you tried Graphic? (previously iDraw)

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John Whisman

8 Feb 2021, 2:20 pm

Same problem with affinity designer-it’s a drawing app. As I recall I couldn’t even scale a drawing.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:37 AM, [email protected] wrote:

How about Affinity Designer. That is what I am using (along with Publisher and Photo).

IanH

On 8 Feb 2021, at 13:23, John Whisman <[email protected]> wrote:

I have tried Graphic. The problem with most of these, for my needs, is that they’re “drawing” apps and not “drafting” apps. There is some crossover of course, but for those of us that need drafting, the drawing apps just don’t have the right feature set.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:00 AM, jayartibee <[email protected]> wrote:

I remember MacDraw well and ClarisWorks.

have you tried Graphic? (previously iDraw)

budspwr

8 Feb 2021, 2:27 pm

I’m far more inclined to need a drafting than a drawing app just as you say. So, I’m still looking but working with SimpleCAD2 right now. Affinity is very unsuitable for me as is Graphic. I can’t afford Photoshop annual cost let alone a one time expense.

Bud Willner

On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:20 AM, John Whisman <[email protected]> wrote:

Same problem with affinity designer-it’s a drawing app. As I recall I couldn’t even scale a drawing.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:37 AM, [email protected] wrote:

How about Affinity Designer. That is what I am using (along with Publisher and Photo).

IanH

On 8 Feb 2021, at 13:23, John Whisman <[email protected]> wrote:

I have tried Graphic. The problem with most of these, for my needs, is that they’re “drawing” apps and not “drafting” apps. There is some crossover of course, but for those of us that need drafting, the drawing apps just don’t have the right feature set.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:00 AM, jayartibee <[email protected]> wrote:

I remember MacDraw well and ClarisWorks.

have you tried Graphic? (previously iDraw)

Jean Haydel

10 Feb 2021, 2:00 am

Transitions: MacDraw, ClarisDraw, Intaglio. All great DRAFTING programs with good text editor. Those were too good to be true and only minor updates. Those suffered from poor marketing and no business method to maintain their income. Marketing: look at the credit card people offering an incentive if you can get an acquaintance to sign up. Income: charge an initial fee plus an annual reasonable renewal fee. Why do I have a suspicion that the App Store is requiring too big a bite of anything for it to work?

Greg

10 Feb 2021, 2:59 am

On 10 Feb 2021, 2:00 am, Jean Haydel wrote:

I think Canvas was in my history.

I don’t envie developers. For something I use continually a subscription might be OK. But I use a drafting program occasionally and more comfortable buying a program and assume I will renew or upgrade in say three years. That’s what I used to do with Photoshop Elements. About $70 every three years. I’ve changed programs but same idea.

I don’t think you can blame Apple. Programs can be sold without the store for macOS; but most developers seem to find they must be in the store to make it. But the iOS store may have hurt. There is a rush to the bottom and most programs are too cheap to be sustainable. People expect programs to be cheap. And too many of us are willing to buy the cheaper program. I’ve seen and participated in using a free program that eventually started charging. Did I stay with the payment or try something else.?Depends. But now that there are fewer major changes in programs, I find I buy (usually) or subscribe and stay with it for as long as possible. The trouble of changing is the major pain point, not the cost.

Apple’s cut may be too big, but 70 percent vs say 90 percent probably wouldn’t be the make or break for many programs. In fact if the cut were lower, some developers might just cut the price to get more business.

budspwr

10 Feb 2021, 2:28 pm

You have made some major points and I agree.

My issue is with cloud computing. We are forced to loose our freedom of choice, pay high annual costs, loose control of our data, loose control of what program works with what set of data. This last one may be hard to understand but I have an example.

TurboTax: Every year I purchase a CD which has the tax year program on it. The reason for this is IRS changes parts of the tax plan every year. New tax year programs do not work with previous year tax requirements. So, yes I have many CD’s for all my tax years. Now, if TurboTax went to cloud computing, I would loose control of all my personal tax data, and, if called into IRS I would not have my data. Hard copies, perhaps! None the less, sending my personal data into the clouds is not a happy thought. Other cloud programs are the same, scary.

I have not tried Canvas in a very long time. And, I do think cheaper app generally do not stay around. Seems the developer is looking for a buyer. This is true for computer hardware sellers/developers a well as software developers. I bought a very expensive PTZ outdoor camera from an outfit doing business with China and now their web page is on the blocks like Intaglio.

Bud Willner

On Feb 9, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

On 10 Feb 2021, 2:00 am, Jean Haydel wrote:

I think Canvas was in my history.

I don’t envie developers. For something I use continually a subscription might be OK. But I use a drafting program occasionally and more comfortable buying a program and assume I will renew or upgrade in say three years. That’s what I used to do with Photoshop Elements. About $70 every three years. I’ve changed programs but same idea.

I don’t think you can blame Apple. Programs can be sold without the store for macOS; but most developers seem to find they must be in the store to make it. But the iOS store may have hurt. There is a rush to the bottom and most programs are too cheap to be sustainable. People expect programs to be cheap. And too many of us are willing to buy the cheaper program. I’ve seen and participated in using a free program that eventually started charging. Did I stay with the payment or try something else.?Depends. But now that there are fewer major changes in programs, I find I buy (usually) or subscribe and stay with it for as long as possible. The trouble of changing is the major pain point, not the cost.

Apple’s cut may be too big, but 70 percent vs say 90 percent probably wouldn’t be the make or break for many programs. In fact if the cut were lower, some developers might just cut the price to get more business.

Ian H

10 Feb 2021, 5:15 pm

That is one reason I have gone for Affinity. They look like they are making inroads into Adobe’s business and look like they are likely to be around for a few years.

However Affinity Design doesn’t have dimensioned lines and suchlike, so is probably not a viable option for those wanting a draughting package.

IanH

On 10 Feb 2021, at 14:28, Bud <[email protected]> wrote:

You have made some major points and I agree.

My issue is with cloud computing. We are forced to loose our freedom of choice, pay high annual costs, loose control of our data, loose control of what program works with what set of data. This last one may be hard to understand but I have an example.

TurboTax: Every year I purchase a CD which has the tax year program on it. The reason for this is IRS changes parts of the tax plan every year. New tax year programs do not work with previous year tax requirements. So, yes I have many CD’s for all my tax years. Now, if TurboTax went to cloud computing, I would loose control of all my personal tax data, and, if called into IRS I would not have my data. Hard copies, perhaps! None the less, sending my personal data into the clouds is not a happy thought. Other cloud programs are the same, scary.

I have not tried Canvas in a very long time. And, I do think cheaper app generally do not stay around. Seems the developer is looking for a buyer. This is true for computer hardware sellers/developers a well as software developers. I bought a very expensive PTZ outdoor camera from an outfit doing business with China and now their web page is on the blocks like Intaglio.

Bud Willner

On Feb 9, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

On 10 Feb 2021, 2:00 am, Jean Haydel wrote:

I think Canvas was in my history.

I don’t envie developers. For something I use continually a subscription might be OK. But I use a drafting program occasionally and more comfortable buying a program and assume I will renew or upgrade in say three years. That’s what I used to do with Photoshop Elements. About $70 every three years. I’ve changed programs but same idea.

I don’t think you can blame Apple. Programs can be sold without the store for macOS; but most developers seem to find they must be in the store to make it. But the iOS store may have hurt. There is a rush to the bottom and most programs are too cheap to be sustainable. People expect programs to be cheap. And too many of us are willing to buy the cheaper program. I’ve seen and participated in using a free program that eventually started charging. Did I stay with the payment or try something else.?Depends. But now that there are fewer major changes in programs, I find I buy (usually) or subscribe and stay with it for as long as possible. The trouble of changing is the major pain point, not the cost.

Apple’s cut may be too big, but 70 percent vs say 90 percent probably wouldn’t be the make or break for many programs. In fact if the cut were lower, some developers might just cut the price to get more business.

Jack Jennings

13 Feb 2021, 9:35 pm

Dear fellow Intaglio users,

As a long time user of MacDraw, followed by ClarisDraw and finally Intaglio, I don’t want to they and find an alternate. I remember using Canvas many many years ago and the drawing side of it did not compare with a true vector-based DRAWING program. I need the dimensioning, I need the multiple layers and I really like Intaglio.

Several members of this mail list have said they have written to Mark Hamlin. Can anyone provide a good email or physical address for him. I was saddened to attempt to visit his website, purgatorydesign.com and found, “purgatorydesign.com expired on 02/06/2021 and is pending renewal or deletion.”

Is Mark Hamlin retired? still alive? Could possibly a deluge of emails asking him to either keep Intaglio going or to sell (or give) the 2011 copyright and code to some young, programmer who could keep it going? If it would…. someone please dig up an address telephone number or other means of contact. LinkedIn list 100+ Mark Hamlins, none of which appear to be him. Facebook lists 80! If anyone knows anything, please speak up!

Comments solicited,

Jack Jennings, Sicklerville, NJ

Jack Jennings

13 Feb 2021, 9:59 pm

Correction - Although Mark Hamlin held the 2011 Copyrigh it appears the Nick Nallick is the person to contact. Any contacting for him?

Dear fellow Intaglio users,

As a long time user of MacDraw, followed by ClarisDraw and finally Intaglio, I don’t want to they and find an alternate. I remember using Canvas many many years ago and the drawing side of it did not compare with a true vector-based DRAWING program. I need the dimensioning, I need the multiple layers and I really like Intaglio.

Several members of this mail list have said they have written to Mark Hamlin. Can anyone provide a good email or physical address for him. I was saddened to attempt to visit his website, purgatorydesign.com http://purgatorydesign.com/ and found, “purgatorydesign.com http://purgatorydesign.com/ expired on 02/06/2021 and is pending renewal or deletion.”

Is Mark Hamlin retired? still alive? Could possibly a deluge of emails asking him to either keep Intaglio going or to sell (or give) the 2011 copyright and code to some young, programmer who could keep it going? If it would…. someone please dig up an address telephone number or other means of contact. LinkedIn list 100+ Mark Hamlins, none of which appear to be him. Facebook lists 80! If anyone knows anything, please speak up!

Comments solicited,

Jack Jennings, Sicklerville, NJ

Jack Jennings

13 Feb 2021, 10:04 pm

Has anyone used this contact information? Nick Nallick 970-259-7129 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Is it good?

James R. Ingram

14 Feb 2021, 6:55 am

I cannot say for sure that any of this information is correct, but “For what it’s worth”:

I did some searching for Nick Nallick a few months ago, and believe I found his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/nick.nallick

His wife I believe is Marina, and her Facebook page is here: https://www.facebook.com/marina.nallick

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I got the following information several months ago from (I think) https://clustrmaps.com/person/Nallick-6b80f9, ((I cannot get the same information tonight.))

Note there are TWO addresses associated with him, so one may be an old one, and one may be a new (or older) one. Those two addresses are about 17 miles apart, and the town of Durango is close to being in the middle.

Note that the first phone number matches the one posted below in J Evans Jennings Jr. email.

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From clustrmaps.com http://clustrmaps.com/ (or a similar site):

438 Horse Thief Ln, Durango, CO 81301

430 Rendezvous Trail, Hesperus, CO 81326

Nick is a high school graduate. Current occupation is listed as Professional/Technical. Nick is a resident of 438 Horse Thief Lanes, Durango, CO 81301-3103. We know that J Cheryl Jackson, Chris K Moore, and five other persons also lived at this address, perhaps within a different time frame. (970) 259-7119 (Qwest Corporation), (970) 259-7126 are the phone numbers for Nick. Public records show that the phone number (970) 259-7119 is linked to Jennifer Lea Hayde, Marina H Nallick, Nick Nallick Nick Nallick Phone Numbers

(970) 259-7119 Landline phone by Qwest Corporation, three persons associated

(970) 259-7126 Landline phone by Qwest Corporation ~~~~

|———————————————————————————————————————————————————— | Thanks. - James Ingram, land 570-322-7597, JamesIngram.net http://jamesingram.net/ | facebook.com/james.robert.ingram http://facebook.com/james.robert.ingram

Apache Junction AZ, Williamsport PA

On Feb 13, 2021, at 3:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:

Has anyone used this contact information? Nick Nallick 970-259-7129 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Is it good?

http://JamesIngram.net

Williamsport PA/Apache Junction AZ

Jack Jennings

14 Feb 2021, 5:25 pm

Revised Reduced Posting that was moderated for being too big:

To James Ingram, Frederick and all:

I think James’ detective work has identified enough about Nick Nallick to pin down valid contact information for our “person of interest”. Although the Marina and Nick Facebook pages very well could be man and wife (from a comparison of page photos) I could not find enough information on Facebook to tie this Nick to “our” Nick.

I do believe the telephone number and email that I published are accurate since they were associated with the following Resumé (truncated to stay within forum size limitations):

970-259-7129 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Professional software development for iOS since 2008 and Macintosh since 1984. Contract programming and consulting services available.

· iOS and Macintosh Developer (independent, contract and salaried), 1984-present (iOS since 2008)

· Developed Mac software since the beginning of the Macintosh, working independently and for both small and large teams and companies directly with clients. Also developed several commercial grade iOS apps, from design through implementation, testing, deployment and marketing. Extensive experience in a variety of languages and methods, hardware and software tools, and work environments. Particularly experienced in user interface development, graphics and multi-threaded processing.

· Intaglio is a vector drawing Macintosh app available independently since 2003 and now also on the MacApp Store. It is a full featured graphics app with sophisticated graphics capabilities, including vector manipulation, import and export of various file formats, advanced text handling and nondestructive image filters.

· Vectorize is an open source GPL Macintosh app that provides a Mac front-end to a cross-platform raster to vector graphics conversion engine.

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy! I don’t think it would be prudent to deluge him with tons of mail, email and telephone calls. This is a tough one that I’m putting out for discussion here. Perhaps one polite message from us as a group would be in order first, asking him to reply to the group. What should be in this letter?

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:55 AM, Ingram-James5-purchasing <[email protected]> wrote:

I cannot say for sure that any of this information is correct, but “For what it’s worth”:

I did some searching for Nick Nallick a few months ago, and believe I found his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/nick.nallick

His wife I believe is Marina, and her Facebook page is here: https://www.facebook.com/marina.nallick

====================

I got the following information several months ago from (I think) https://clustrmaps.com/person/Nallick-6b80f9, ((I cannot get the same information tonight.))

Note there are TWO addresses associated with him, so one may be an old one, and one may be a new (or older) one. Those two addresses are about 17 miles apart, and the town of Durango is close to being in the middle.

Note that the first phone number matches the one posted below in J Evans Jennings Jr. email.

====================

From clustrmaps.com http://clustrmaps.com/ (or a similar site):

438 Horse Thief Ln, Durango, CO 81301

430 Rendezvous Trail, Hesperus, CO 81326

Nick is a high school graduate. Current occupation is listed as Professional/Technical. Nick is a resident of 438 Horse Thief Lanes, Durango, CO 81301-3103. We know that J Cheryl Jackson, Chris K Moore, and five other persons also lived at this address, perhaps within a different time frame. (970) 259-7119 (Qwest Corporation), (970) 259-7126 are the phone numbers for Nick. Public records show that the phone number (970) 259-7119 is linked to Jennifer Lea Hayde, Marina H Nallick, Nick Nallick Nick Nallick Phone Numbers

(970) 259-7119 Landline phone by Qwest Corporation, three persons associated

(970) 259-7126 Landline phone by Qwest Corporation ~~~~

|———————————————————————————————————————————————————— | Thanks. - James Ingram, land 570-322-7597, JamesIngram.net http://jamesingram.net/ | facebook.com/james.robert.ingram http://facebook.com/james.robert.ingram

Apache Junction AZ, Williamsport PA

On Feb 13, 2021, at 3:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:

Has anyone used this contact information? Nick Nallick 970-259-7129 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Is it good?

Frank

31 Mar 2021, 10:37 am

Very happy user of Intaglio since 2006. When my last iMac broke the third time because of a faulty graphics-board and Applejuicefactory wasn’t too stupid to install the same crap three times and refused to fix it because it was older than 5 years, I didn’t want an Intel toaster anymore. I now have an M1 MacMini/BigSur and now it’s about to say “Goodbye!” to many familiar and beloved apps+games. I’m trying not to be sad and maybe buy me a used Intel Mac someday, but I miss Intaglio already and there’s just no replacement for what I mainly used it for. Since the PurgatoryDesign website has expired and Intaglio is now AbondonWare I say bye bye and will unsubscribe from this forum. All the best for the long companions. Take care.

Cheers

Frank

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stephen arbon

12 Apr 2021, 11:46 pm

On 8 Feb 2021, 2:16 pm, budspwr wrote:

I noticed two things: no update in 2 years and far to many bugs, freezes, & no pixel functions

Bud Willner

On Feb 8, 2021, at 3:59 AM, jayartibee

I used to have freezes on a large drawing, but split the contents into multiple layers and then it has been stable since.