Intaglio

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Jack Jennings

14 Feb 2021, 7:04 pm

Re: future of intaglio.... and..... in search of Nick Nallick

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <[email protected]> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox.

Jean Haydel

15 Feb 2021, 3:47 am

I have searched for a replacement for Intaglio. My conclusion is that some 2D “drafting” apps leave much to be desired. Some drawing apps try to include too much. This “too much” gives the appearance to a new person that Intaglio will not fill their needs. Intaglio is unique in that it does much - easily and it is intuitive. The “too much” apps are not a replacement for Intaglio because Intaglio DOES fill a need and should not be discarded. It is not obsolete. Intaglio has not had the marketing it deserves. It has not had the business management required for a cash flow to sustain a continuing operation in a changing technology. For Intaglio to live on, it needs a business person who appreciates the value to its clients, the knowledge of the need/satisfied, and the imagination to see the future. The important issue is cash flow. I have communicated with Intaglio in the past encouraging them to expect more than the initial fee for the download. Jean

Sent from RO-CH13

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <[email protected]> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox.

John Whisman

15 Feb 2021, 3:59 am

All good commentary here, especially Jean’s points about the niche that intaglio filled.

A recurring thought I have is that we don’t know anything about the mindset and personal life of Nick so I think we need to be careful around that.

This makes me think that a prudent approach might be to simultaneously find somebody who would be willing to continued development and, at the same time, contact Nick with ideas. It could very well be financially beneficial for him, even if he did not want to continue development himself. Maybe he would be interested in simply being a consultant for the new developer?

I know nothing about software development nor the business of it but I’d be willing to support the effort in any way I could.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:48 PM, Jean Haydel <[email protected]> wrote:

I have searched for a replacement for Intaglio. My conclusion is that some 2D “drafting” apps leave much to be desired. Some drawing apps try to include too much. This “too much” gives the appearance to a new person that Intaglio will not fill their needs. Intaglio is unique in that it does much - easily and it is intuitive. The “too much” apps are not a replacement for Intaglio because Intaglio DOES fill a need and should not be discarded. It is not obsolete. Intaglio has not had the marketing it deserves. It has not had the business management required for a cash flow to sustain a continuing operation in a changing technology. For Intaglio to live on, it needs a business person who appreciates the value to its clients, the knowledge of the need/satisfied, and the imagination to see the future. The important issue is cash flow. I have communicated with Intaglio in the past encouraging them to expect more than the initial fee for the download. Jean

Sent from RO-CH13

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <[email protected]> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox.

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James R. Ingram

15 Feb 2021, 8:58 am

- https://macIntaglio.wordpress.com https://macintaglio.wordpress.com/

This forum cannot accommodate images (to my knowledge), so I made a little web page (link above), and put a copy of a LETTER that I sent to Purgatory Design back in April 2020 — right after I made the Intaglio Youtube video. In that letter, I also encouraged them to “expect more than the initial fee for the download”.

This web page also has some other Intaglio links, and the personal information about Nick, that we’ve been able to “dig up” so far.

It would be nice to get a RESPONSE from the developer Nick Nallick, but this may not be possible — as apparently several attempts have already been made — and he has not responded.

Worst cases that I can think of, is that he may have a HEALTH problem that makes him unable to continue software work — or the original “source code” may have been LOST in a hard-drive crash, and is unrecoverable.

IMHO, what we really need, is a “spy on the ground” in Durango Colorado :-) — to find out what’s going on with Nick.

re DIVULGING PERSONAL INFO:

Regarding Frederick’s comment about PERSONAL information being made public:

This information about Nick’s addresses is ALREADY public. I just COPIED it from one public location, to ANOTHER public location.

Said another way, I have not added any information, that was not already available in the “public” part of the web.

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The points the previous 2 posters John Whisman and Jean Haydel (and others) made, IMHO are “right on the money”.

Hopefully one of you with good diplomatic skills — can continue this “quest” (although it seems to be somewhat “futile”).

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Apache Junction AZ, Williamsport PA

On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:59 PM, John Whisman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

All good commentary here, especially Jean’s points about the niche that intaglio filled.

A recurring thought I have is that we don’t know anything about the mindset and personal life of Nick so I think we need to be careful around that.

This makes me think that a prudent approach might be to simultaneously find somebody who would be willing to continued development and, at the same time, contact Nick with ideas. It could very well be financially beneficial for him, even if he did not want to continue development himself. Maybe he would be interested in simply being a consultant for the new developer?

I know nothing about software development nor the business of it but I’d be willing to support the effort in any way I could.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:48 PM, Jean Haydel <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

I have searched for a replacement for Intaglio. My conclusion is that some 2D “drafting” apps leave much to be desired. Some drawing apps try to include too much. This “too much” gives the appearance to a new person that Intaglio will not fill their needs. Intaglio is unique in that it does much - easily and it is intuitive. The “too much” apps are not a replacement for Intaglio because Intaglio DOES fill a need and should not be discarded. It is not obsolete. Intaglio has not had the marketing it deserves. It has not had the business management required for a cash flow to sustain a continuing operation in a changing technology. For Intaglio to live on, it needs a business person who appreciates the value to its clients, the knowledge of the need/satisfied, and the imagination to see the future. The important issue is cash flow. I have communicated with Intaglio in the past encouraging them to expect more than the initial fee for the download. Jean

Sent from RO-CH13

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <[email protected]den <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

In message <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox. [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

http://MacIntaglio.com

Williamsport PA/Apache Junction AZ

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