Intaglio

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Jack Jennings

14 Feb 2021, 7:04 pm

Re: future of intaglio.... and..... in search of Nick Nallick

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <email@hidden> wrote:

In message <email@hidden> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <email@hidden> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox.

Jean Haydel

15 Feb 2021, 3:47 am

I have searched for a replacement for Intaglio. My conclusion is that some 2D “drafting” apps leave much to be desired. Some drawing apps try to include too much. This “too much” gives the appearance to a new person that Intaglio will not fill their needs. Intaglio is unique in that it does much - easily and it is intuitive. The “too much” apps are not a replacement for Intaglio because Intaglio DOES fill a need and should not be discarded. It is not obsolete. Intaglio has not had the marketing it deserves. It has not had the business management required for a cash flow to sustain a continuing operation in a changing technology. For Intaglio to live on, it needs a business person who appreciates the value to its clients, the knowledge of the need/satisfied, and the imagination to see the future. The important issue is cash flow. I have communicated with Intaglio in the past encouraging them to expect more than the initial fee for the download. Jean

Sent from RO-CH13

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <email@hidden> wrote:

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <email@hidden> wrote:

In message <email@hidden> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <email@hidden> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox.

John Whisman

15 Feb 2021, 3:59 am

All good commentary here, especially Jean’s points about the niche that intaglio filled.

A recurring thought I have is that we don’t know anything about the mindset and personal life of Nick so I think we need to be careful around that.

This makes me think that a prudent approach might be to simultaneously find somebody who would be willing to continued development and, at the same time, contact Nick with ideas. It could very well be financially beneficial for him, even if he did not want to continue development himself. Maybe he would be interested in simply being a consultant for the new developer?

I know nothing about software development nor the business of it but I’d be willing to support the effort in any way I could.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:48 PM, Jean Haydel <email@hidden> wrote:

I have searched for a replacement for Intaglio. My conclusion is that some 2D “drafting” apps leave much to be desired. Some drawing apps try to include too much. This “too much” gives the appearance to a new person that Intaglio will not fill their needs. Intaglio is unique in that it does much - easily and it is intuitive. The “too much” apps are not a replacement for Intaglio because Intaglio DOES fill a need and should not be discarded. It is not obsolete. Intaglio has not had the marketing it deserves. It has not had the business management required for a cash flow to sustain a continuing operation in a changing technology. For Intaglio to live on, it needs a business person who appreciates the value to its clients, the knowledge of the need/satisfied, and the imagination to see the future. The important issue is cash flow. I have communicated with Intaglio in the past encouraging them to expect more than the initial fee for the download. Jean

Sent from RO-CH13

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <email@hidden> wrote:

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <email@hidden> wrote:

In message <email@hidden> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <email@hidden> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox.

James R. Ingram

15 Feb 2021, 8:58 am

- https://macIntaglio.wordpress.com https://macintaglio.wordpress.com/

This forum cannot accommodate images (to my knowledge), so I made a little web page (link above), and put a copy of a LETTER that I sent to Purgatory Design back in April 2020 — right after I made the Intaglio Youtube video. In that letter, I also encouraged them to “expect more than the initial fee for the download”.

This web page also has some other Intaglio links, and the personal information about Nick, that we’ve been able to “dig up” so far.

It would be nice to get a RESPONSE from the developer Nick Nallick, but this may not be possible — as apparently several attempts have already been made — and he has not responded.

Worst cases that I can think of, is that he may have a HEALTH problem that makes him unable to continue software work — or the original “source code” may have been LOST in a hard-drive crash, and is unrecoverable.

IMHO, what we really need, is a “spy on the ground” in Durango Colorado :-) — to find out what’s going on with Nick.

re DIVULGING PERSONAL INFO:

Regarding Frederick’s comment about PERSONAL information being made public:

This information about Nick’s addresses is ALREADY public. I just COPIED it from one public location, to ANOTHER public location.

Said another way, I have not added any information, that was not already available in the “public” part of the web.

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The points the previous 2 posters John Whisman and Jean Haydel (and others) made, IMHO are “right on the money”.

Hopefully one of you with good diplomatic skills — can continue this “quest” (although it seems to be somewhat “futile”).

|———————————————————————————————————————————————————— | Thanks. - James Ingram, Cell 570-772-1323, JamesIngram.net http://jamesingram.net/ | facebook.com/james.robert.ingram https://www.facebook.com/james.robert.ingram

Apache Junction AZ, Williamsport PA

On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:59 PM, John Whisman <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:

All good commentary here, especially Jean’s points about the niche that intaglio filled.

A recurring thought I have is that we don’t know anything about the mindset and personal life of Nick so I think we need to be careful around that.

This makes me think that a prudent approach might be to simultaneously find somebody who would be willing to continued development and, at the same time, contact Nick with ideas. It could very well be financially beneficial for him, even if he did not want to continue development himself. Maybe he would be interested in simply being a consultant for the new developer?

I know nothing about software development nor the business of it but I’d be willing to support the effort in any way I could.

John Whisman 707-694-2380

On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:48 PM, Jean Haydel <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:

I have searched for a replacement for Intaglio. My conclusion is that some 2D “drafting” apps leave much to be desired. Some drawing apps try to include too much. This “too much” gives the appearance to a new person that Intaglio will not fill their needs. Intaglio is unique in that it does much - easily and it is intuitive. The “too much” apps are not a replacement for Intaglio because Intaglio DOES fill a need and should not be discarded. It is not obsolete. Intaglio has not had the marketing it deserves. It has not had the business management required for a cash flow to sustain a continuing operation in a changing technology. For Intaglio to live on, it needs a business person who appreciates the value to its clients, the knowledge of the need/satisfied, and the imagination to see the future. The important issue is cash flow. I have communicated with Intaglio in the past encouraging them to expect more than the initial fee for the download. Jean

Sent from RO-CH13

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, J Evans Jennings Jr. <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:

Frederick,

I did get the point of your post. Yes, the mail list is published on an open web site, however, the very purpose of the mail list is to support a specific computer application, Intaglio, and not a dark web source of personal information to be used for nefarious purposes. You may have given up on the application and successfully moved your current work to another, and that’s great…. for you. From my reading of many messages on this forum I detect a number of users who haven’t found a suitable substitute application… for them. They may also have a feeling of being abandoned by the developer and would like to know why this has happened and if anything can be done to save intaglio. Because of this I feel a discussion of how we might either convince the developer to again support the application, sell it to someone else, or provide an explanation of why he is dropping it is in order. To do this we need contact information, hence my post(s).

It very well might be that his signing up with Apple to sell the application in the Apple Store is the root cause of its demise. In doing this he allowed Apple to take a giant cut from gross proceeds and agreed to some horrendous restrictions on what he could do with his product once he withdrew it from the store. Other small developers have suffered this fate.

If this be the case, I for one would like to see if he could come up with some kind of a support subscription that would allow Intaglio users who purchased his product BEFORE he signed up with Apple (like myself) that would allow us to keep using it. I would do this myself but thought a more effective approach would be to gather together input from many of his customers to present to him. This my call for a discussion… to come up with a list of reasons he should either find a way to get around Apple’s restrictions and reinstate the product, or at the very least provide a path of continued support.

Another reason for stating a discussion is that I know that at one time Mark monitored this forum. I am secretly hoping he might post as much of an explanation of why he has done this that his contractual restrictions with Apple might allow.

Jack Jennings

On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Frederick <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:

In message <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> “J Evans Jennings Jr.” <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:

The question now is the balance between our desire to convince him to continue to support Intaglio and our rights (if any) as former customers to violate his privacy!

I think you’ve missed the point. Customers aren’t the issue. This mail list is published on an open web site.

Still, irrelevant now.

My own view is to abandon Intaglio even if there were to be further development. A question of trust. The more work produced with it now, the more to convert in the future if things go astray.

I’ve now moved everything to another app via SVG without too much difficulty, just time. This time not using one man band sox. email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>

email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>

email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>

email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>

http://MacIntaglio.com

Williamsport PA/Apache Junction AZ

Voicemail 570-322-7597

James R. Ingram

29 Jul 2021, 2:55 am
1. CONTACTING DEVELOPER NICK NALLICK:  (Has Anyone Tried ??)

I think I remember someone saying. that they had tried emailing the Intaglio developer Nick Nallick, and gotten no reply ??

QUESTION: Has anyone else tried to contact Nick. Jack Jennings discussed this back in February (in a different thread), but I can find no discussion that anyone followed through on it.

2. A FUTILE ATTEMPT ??
  • Trying to contact Nick may likely be a FUTILE undertaking, but we should probably try it — so we can say that we have EXHAUSTED that alternative.

  • But as Jack Jennings pointed out (in a different thread), we don’t want to be “harassing” Nick — if attempts have already been made.

~~~~~~~~~~`

  • If nobody has seriously tried to contact Nick yet, I will probably try to do it myself {groan :-) }.

  • On the web page http://macintaglio.com/developer we have documented about 3 possible snail mail addresses, 2 phone numbers, and a Facebook page — none of which may be any good. But I can try them all.

3. THREE QUESTIONS:

The 3 QUESTIONS I would ask Nick are:

  • Q1: Any possibility of us paying you to update this program?

  • Q2: Any possibility of us paying you to subcontract the updating of this program? (if you’re too busy yourself)

  • If Intaglio cannot be updated:

  • Q3: Do you have any idea, what would be the most SIMILAR application — that could import Intaglio SVG data files?

http://MacIntaglio.com

Williamsport PA/Apache Junction AZ

Voicemail 570-322-7597

Mike Powell

29 Jul 2021, 2:17 pm

James and others,

I think we should definitely contact Nick Nallick.

I pondered awhile as to why this happened. One day we were getting answers to our support questions. And then, suddenly, nothing. Two thoughts came to my mind:

@ He has died and the executors of his estate are unable to deal with his accounts. Perhaps they don’t know the passwords?

We can do something about @. Deaths are recorded in publicly viewable (usually free and online) documents. We know his name, rough age, address(es). I know how to do this here in Canada, but not in the US. Is there someone in the US prepared to check this out? If we can find his executors we may be able to make some progress.

I’d suggest that we prepare a list of supporters names. If we can show them 100 users who want to pay money to continue, that should help our cause.

(b) A large company, perhaps beginning with A, which also sells illustration software, bought Purgatory Design out and imposed an absolute shutdown. That’s one way to kill off competition.

Either way, I shall be keeping the .dmg for version 3.9.5 and an older iMac on which to run it. For a long time.

I have a background in software development and have written some macOS applications but do not count myself as a Mac professional. I believe the hard work is done on this application. If there are no new features required this should not be too burdensome to maintain. Moving to new releases of macOS should not be too difficult.

James, if it does turn out that Nick cannot be persuaded to return, then we should definitely urge him or his successors to sell the intellectual property. Perhaps, we could form a group to buy it. Perhaps someone else would. But, at least, it would be back in circulation.

One final thought. A developer who puts as much work into a product as this, gets very attached to it. I doubt very much that Nick would drop his wonderful creation.

Let me know what you think.

Mike Powell Victoria, BC, Canada

On Jul 28, 2021, at 19:55, James R. Ingram <email@hidden> wrote:

1. CONTACTING DEVELOPER NICK NALLICK:  (Has Anyone Tried ??)

I think I remember someone saying. that they had tried emailing the Intaglio developer Nick Nallick, and gotten no reply ??

QUESTION: Has anyone else tried to contact Nick. Jack Jennings discussed this back in February (in a different thread), but I can find no discussion that anyone followed through on it.

2. A FUTILE ATTEMPT ??
  • Trying to contact Nick may likely be a FUTILE undertaking, but we should probably try it — so we can say that we have EXHAUSTED that alternative.

  • But as Jack Jennings pointed out (in a different thread), we don’t want to be “harassing” Nick — if attempts have already been made.

~~~~~~~~~~`

  • If nobody has seriously tried to contact Nick yet, I will probably try to do it myself {groan :-) }.

  • On the web page http://macintaglio.com/developer we have documented about 3 possible snail mail addresses, 2 phone numbers, and a Facebook page — none of which may be any good. But I can try them all.

3. THREE QUESTIONS:

The 3 QUESTIONS I would ask Nick are:

  • Q1: Any possibility of us paying you to update this program?

  • Q2: Any possibility of us paying you to subcontract the updating of this program? (if you’re too busy yourself)

  • If Intaglio cannot be updated:

  • Q3: Do you have any idea, what would be the most SIMILAR application — that could import Intaglio SVG data files?

Jean Haydel

29 Jul 2021, 11:49 pm

Mike, Intaglio was a great creation. Sorry to see its present condition. I am interested in keeping it alive. Thanks, Jean

On Jul 29, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Mike Powell <email@hidden> wrote:

James and others,

I think we should definitely contact Nick Nallick.

I pondered awhile as to why this happened. One day we were getting answers to our support questions. And then, suddenly, nothing. Two thoughts came to my mind:

@ He has died and the executors of his estate are unable to deal with his accounts. Perhaps they don’t know the passwords?

We can do something about @. Deaths are recorded in publicly viewable (usually free and online) documents. We know his name, rough age, address(es). I know how to do this here in Canada, but not in the US. Is there someone in the US prepared to check this out? If we can find his executors we may be able to make some progress.

I’d suggest that we prepare a list of supporters names. If we can show them 100 users who want to pay money to continue, that should help our cause.

(b) A large company, perhaps beginning with A, which also sells illustration software, bought Purgatory Design out and imposed an absolute shutdown. That’s one way to kill off competition.

Either way, I shall be keeping the .dmg for version 3.9.5 and an older iMac on which to run it. For a long time.

I have a background in software development and have written some macOS applications but do not count myself as a Mac professional. I believe the hard work is done on this application. If there are no new features required this should not be too burdensome to maintain. Moving to new releases of macOS should not be too difficult.

James, if it does turn out that Nick cannot be persuaded to return, then we should definitely urge him or his successors to sell the intellectual property. Perhaps, we could form a group to buy it. Perhaps someone else would. But, at least, it would be back in circulation.

One final thought. A developer who puts as much work into a product as this, gets very attached to it. I doubt very much that Nick would drop his wonderful creation.

Let me know what you think.

Mike Powell Victoria, BC, Canada

On Jul 28, 2021, at 19:55, James R. Ingram <email@hidden> wrote:

1. CONTACTING DEVELOPER NICK NALLICK:  (Has Anyone Tried ??)

I think I remember someone saying. that they had tried emailing the Intaglio developer Nick Nallick, and gotten no reply ??

QUESTION: Has anyone else tried to contact Nick. Jack Jennings discussed this back in February (in a different thread), but I can find no discussion that anyone followed through on it.

2. A FUTILE ATTEMPT ??
  • Trying to contact Nick may likely be a FUTILE undertaking, but we should probably try it — so we can say that we have EXHAUSTED that alternative.

  • But as Jack Jennings pointed out (in a different thread), we don’t want to be “harassing” Nick — if attempts have already been made.

~~~~~~~~~~`

  • If nobody has seriously tried to contact Nick yet, I will probably try to do it myself {groan :-) }.

  • On the web page http://macintaglio.com/developer we have documented about 3 possible snail mail addresses, 2 phone numbers, and a Facebook page — none of which may be any good. But I can try them all.

3. THREE QUESTIONS:

The 3 QUESTIONS I would ask Nick are:

  • Q1: Any possibility of us paying you to update this program?

  • Q2: Any possibility of us paying you to subcontract the updating of this program? (if you’re too busy yourself)

  • If Intaglio cannot be updated:

  • Q3: Do you have any idea, what would be the most SIMILAR application — that could import Intaglio SVG data files?

Mike Powell

30 Jul 2021, 1:17 am

I’m happy to keep a list of satisfied Intaglio users. Right now we have three:

James R. Ingram <email@hidden> Jean Haydel <email@hidden> Mike Powell <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>

If you’re interested, let me know.

Mike Powell

On Jul 29, 2021, at 16:49, Jean Haydel <email@hidden> wrote:

Mike, Intaglio was a great creation. Sorry to see its present condition. I am interested in keeping it alive. Thanks, Jean

On Jul 29, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Mike Powell <email@hidden> wrote:

James and others,

I think we should definitely contact Nick Nallick.

I pondered awhile as to why this happened. One day we were getting answers to our support questions. And then, suddenly, nothing. Two thoughts came to my mind:

@ He has died and the executors of his estate are unable to deal with his accounts. Perhaps they don’t know the passwords?

We can do something about @. Deaths are recorded in publicly viewable (usually free and online) documents. We know his name, rough age, address(es). I know how to do this here in Canada, but not in the US. Is there someone in the US prepared to check this out? If we can find his executors we may be able to make some progress.

I’d suggest that we prepare a list of supporters names. If we can show them 100 users who want to pay money to continue, that should help our cause.

(b) A large company, perhaps beginning with A, which also sells illustration software, bought Purgatory Design out and imposed an absolute shutdown. That’s one way to kill off competition.

Either way, I shall be keeping the .dmg for version 3.9.5 and an older iMac on which to run it. For a long time.

I have a background in software development and have written some macOS applications but do not count myself as a Mac professional. I believe the hard work is done on this application. If there are no new features required this should not be too burdensome to maintain. Moving to new releases of macOS should not be too difficult.

James, if it does turn out that Nick cannot be persuaded to return, then we should definitely urge him or his successors to sell the intellectual property. Perhaps, we could form a group to buy it. Perhaps someone else would. But, at least, it would be back in circulation.

One final thought. A developer who puts as much work into a product as this, gets very attached to it. I doubt very much that Nick would drop his wonderful creation.

Let me know what you think.

Mike Powell Victoria, BC, Canada

On Jul 28, 2021, at 19:55, James R. Ingram <email@hidden> wrote:

1. CONTACTING DEVELOPER NICK NALLICK:  (Has Anyone Tried ??)

I think I remember someone saying. that they had tried emailing the Intaglio developer Nick Nallick, and gotten no reply ??

QUESTION: Has anyone else tried to contact Nick. Jack Jennings discussed this back in February (in a different thread), but I can find no discussion that anyone followed through on it.

2. A FUTILE ATTEMPT ??
  • Trying to contact Nick may likely be a FUTILE undertaking, but we should probably try it — so we can say that we have EXHAUSTED that alternative.

  • But as Jack Jennings pointed out (in a different thread), we don’t want to be “harassing” Nick — if attempts have already been made.

~~~~~~~~~~`

  • If nobody has seriously tried to contact Nick yet, I will probably try to do it myself {groan :-) }.

  • On the web page http://macintaglio.com/developer we have documented about 3 possible snail mail addresses, 2 phone numbers, and a Facebook page — none of which may be any good. But I can try them all.

3. THREE QUESTIONS:

The 3 QUESTIONS I would ask Nick are:

  • Q1: Any possibility of us paying you to update this program?

  • Q2: Any possibility of us paying you to subcontract the updating of this program? (if you’re too busy yourself)

  • If Intaglio cannot be updated:

  • Q3: Do you have any idea, what would be the most SIMILAR application — that could import Intaglio SVG data files?

Andrew Obuku Ekii

30 Jul 2021, 6:06 am

Add email@hidden among the list of satisfied intaglio users.

Best,

Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2021, at 04:17, Mike Powell <email@hidden> wrote:

I’m happy to keep a list of satisfied Intaglio users. Right now we have three:

James R. Ingram <email@hidden> Jean Haydel <email@hidden> Mike Powell <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>

If you’re interested, let me know.

Mike Powell

On Jul 29, 2021, at 16:49, Jean Haydel <email@hidden> wrote:

Mike, Intaglio was a great creation. Sorry to see its present condition. I am interested in keeping it alive. Thanks, Jean

On Jul 29, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Mike Powell <email@hidden> wrote:

James and others,

I think we should definitely contact Nick Nallick.

I pondered awhile as to why this happened. One day we were getting answers to our support questions. And then, suddenly, nothing. Two thoughts came to my mind:

@ He has died and the executors of his estate are unable to deal with his accounts. Perhaps they don’t know the passwords?

We can do something about @. Deaths are recorded in publicly viewable (usually free and online) documents. We know his name, rough age, address(es). I know how to do this here in Canada, but not in the US. Is there someone in the US prepared to check this out? If we can find his executors we may be able to make some progress.

I’d suggest that we prepare a list of supporters names. If we can show them 100 users who want to pay money to continue, that should help our cause.

(b) A large company, perhaps beginning with A, which also sells illustration software, bought Purgatory Design out and imposed an absolute shutdown. That’s one way to kill off competition.

Either way, I shall be keeping the .dmg for version 3.9.5 and an older iMac on which to run it. For a long time.

I have a background in software development and have written some macOS applications but do not count myself as a Mac professional. I believe the hard work is done on this application. If there are no new features required this should not be too burdensome to maintain. Moving to new releases of macOS should not be too difficult.

James, if it does turn out that Nick cannot be persuaded to return, then we should definitely urge him or his successors to sell the intellectual property. Perhaps, we could form a group to buy it. Perhaps someone else would. But, at least, it would be back in circulation.

One final thought. A developer who puts as much work into a product as this, gets very attached to it. I doubt very much that Nick would drop his wonderful creation.

Let me know what you think.

Mike Powell Victoria, BC, Canada

On Jul 28, 2021, at 19:55, James R. Ingram <email@hidden> wrote:

1. CONTACTING DEVELOPER NICK NALLICK:  (Has Anyone Tried ??)

I think I remember someone saying. that they had tried emailing the Intaglio developer Nick Nallick, and gotten no reply ??

QUESTION: Has anyone else tried to contact Nick. Jack Jennings discussed this back in February (in a different thread), but I can find no discussion that anyone followed through on it.

2. A FUTILE ATTEMPT ??
  • Trying to contact Nick may likely be a FUTILE undertaking, but we should probably try it — so we can say that we have EXHAUSTED that alternative.

  • But as Jack Jennings pointed out (in a different thread), we don’t want to be “harassing” Nick — if attempts have already been made.

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  • If nobody has seriously tried to contact Nick yet, I will probably try to do it myself {groan :-) }.

  • On the web page http://macintaglio.com/developer we have documented about 3 possible snail mail addresses, 2 phone numbers, and a Facebook page — none of which may be any good. But I can try them all.

3. THREE QUESTIONS:

The 3 QUESTIONS I would ask Nick are:

  • Q1: Any possibility of us paying you to update this program?

  • Q2: Any possibility of us paying you to subcontract the updating of this program? (if you’re too busy yourself)

  • If Intaglio cannot be updated:

  • Q3: Do you have any idea, what would be the most SIMILAR application — that could import Intaglio SVG data files?

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James R. Ingram

9 Aug 2021, 5:54 am

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1. ATTEMPTS COMPLETED, TO CONTACT NICK NALLICK:

This is essentially an FYI at this point — since it’s probably a “dead end”.

As people have previously opined, attempting to contact the Developer Nick Nallick, appears to be turning into a “DEAD END”. (FYI: I do NOT believe he is deceased, or I would expect to see some “sympathy postings” from friends on his wife’s Facebook page, and there are no such postings.)

Nevertheless, I think it’s good to be able to say that we have EXHAUSTED all the possible ways to contact Nick.

I recently attempted to send a letter to Nick — using all possible methods.

You can view a JPEG copy of this letter, where it’s posted at the top of the web page at http://MacIntaglio.com/developer . (Note that I “masked” some of the addresses on the web page copy.)

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2. METHODS USED TO CONTACT NICK
  • 8/2/21: Sent an email to the email address on his web page
  • 8/2/21: Sent a JPEG copy of the letter to Nick’s Facebook page and his wife’s Facebook page
  • 8/2/21: Sent a JPEG copy of the letter to Nick’s Facebook page and his wife’s Facebook page
  • 8/5/21: Left a telephone voicemail message on the phone number on his web page
  • 8/5/21: Left a telephone voicemail message on a phone number obtained from Clustrmaps.com, that answers with the recorded greeting “Nallick Residence”.
  • 8/5/21: Tried a telephone number obtained from Clustrmaps.com, but it never answered.
  • 8/7/21: Snail-mailed a printed copy of the letter, to the Purgatory Design PO Box 2483 address.
  • 8/7/21: Snail-mailed a 2nd printed copy of the letter, to what may be his current residential address. (Shows on https://coloradovoters.info/by_name/pages/n10117.html .)
  • 8/7/21: Snail-mailed a 3rd printed copy of the letter, to what another residential address obtained from Clustrmaps.com.
3. THE 3 QUESTIONS ASKED

Basically, the letter asked 3 questions:

Q1: Is there any possibility of us paying you to UPDATE this program?

Q2: Is there any possibility of us paying you to SUBCONTRACT the updating of this program? (if you’re too busy yourself)

~~~~~~~~~~ If Intaglio cannot be updated:

Q3: Do you have any idea, what would be the most SIMILAR application — that could import Intaglio data files (exported from Intaglio, using the SVG export format).

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4. HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL USING INTAGLIO
  • We have NO idea how many people are still using Intagio. For all we know, it may be a relatively small “hard core” group of only (wildly guessing here), say 30 people or so, or however many different people you see posting messages in this forum.

  • If it IS only a relatively small number of us still using Intaglio, we probably cannot expect the developer to be motivated to do anything.

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